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Should we go full rebuild?

Should we go full rebuild?

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Welcome to the end of the 2nd year of "the forever rebuild" or "maintain optionality". The previous era was "bake the cake", preceded by "don't skip steps".
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No need to downplay the Rockets young dudes, they are very talented.

I just dont get being doomer about the Jazz.

Keyonte is at least a top 5 rookie and many think he is the #3 rookie in the class. Hendricks defensively looks legit and offensively you can see some promise. Sensabaugh could be good in 1-2 years.
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You are correct and that came out wrong. They are talented but to ever become stars/elite they got leaps to take that may or may not ever happen.
 
Going full rebuild at this point would be an admission that we have had no idea what we were doing the last few years.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Just a quick reminder:

How Long Before the Jazz Make the Playoffs Again?

How long does a rebuild take? I'll define the rebuild process as the time between when the team starts being bad on purpose to the time when you make the playoffs again.
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And I don't think the length of the rebuild is the issue. I think the frustration is playing in the middle seems like it will yield a team that might be as good as the team we tore down. So if you want to rebuild then build up something with the championship potential. I don't know that drafting at #9 is going to be the best way to build a contender (I realize the plan has more parts than that). I think that era was coming to an end sooner than later but I think it caught some by surprise a bit.

With the multiple tear downs and with the West being really competitive the next year or two at least... I think we could end up doing a non-Lauri trade where we trade Collin for picks or prospects and end up being a bottom 2-3 team in the west. End up 6th-ish in the lotto standings next year and maybe get lucky in a good draft. So a modified kick the can down the road strategy... but another year of losing for Lauri and I worry we may break him.

The next move is more nuanced and measured and will affect the long term a lot imo. Push in for a star and it may limit the ultimate ceiling of the team. Decide to tear it to studs and its a longer process than many wanted to sign up for and maybe has the ultimate ceiling some are looking for.
 
HermanG said:
You are correct and that came out wrong. They are talented but to ever become stars/elite they got leaps to take that may or may not ever happen.
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Love the new avi… hope it doesn’t spell doom for Kris though.
 
I take back what I said. I am impatient. I want to get out of the compete for half/quit for half type of season. I don't care how long this thing takes, but we're getting the least amount of benefit from winning/losing this way. I just want things to be done well and the last two years hasn't inspired the most confidence for me.
 
We don't know yet which course Ainge/Zanik decide to go but my gut feeling is they do what they need in order to potentially secure Flagg, Ace, Boozer, or Dybsanta in the '25/26 drafts. Ainge never needed to tank for draft position in Boston with those Nets picks but Utah is a different situation.

In a bizarro world maybe they luck into a top pick this year, draft Sarr, and he looks like the big time prospect Mobley seemed to be 2 years ago. Regardless they need to pick a direction and will likely need at least one major hit in the next few drafts with their warchest of picks. Doing the same thing next season, tanking after the deadline for the Flagg draft, cannot be an option.
 
Also to answer the question… all routes are wrong and all routes lead to failure. I think if I had my preference I’d look really hard at what the offers are for our best vets and let that sway me. I don’t think it’s the only way and I don’t think it’s an obvious call.

I think what will happen is they will move Collin (this isn’t what I want btw) and lean really hard into Key knowing that if it works it’s great cuz you are so young and it’s working. If it doesn’t you have a very good pick in a (reportedly) really good draft. Lauri suffers and hopefully doesn’t demand out (he will be extended this summer if not moved).
 
KqWIN said:
I take back what I said. I am impatient. I want to get out of the compete for half/quit for half type of season. I don't care how long this thing takes, but we're getting the least amount of benefit from winning/losing this way. I just want things to be done well and the last two years hasn't inspired the most confidence for me.
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Not poking holes... but would you feel better if we were a back half of the play in team? So 9/10 seed?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not poking holes... but would you feel better if we were a back half of the play in team? So 9/10 seed?
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Not exactly, but if their intention was to build a team that could compete I would have expected them to make some moves/push some buttons to build a better team. That doesn't mean they need to cash in on everything now....I don't even think it means that the win total of this season mattered a ton, but I think they should have gotten more work done in terms of setting this team up for success. For me, this team was pretty much set up for failure post off season because it wasn't that good to begin with. I think I feel better now than if the Jazz did nothing at the deadline....but marginally and I would have felt better if the Jazz had gone the tanking or competing direction this summer. Doing both and pivoting half way through produces the least amount of benefit.

They barely pressed any buttons at all last summer. I was a proponent of the Collins trade at the time, but even with being more optimistic on Collins I did not see this as a playoff team. They had to be extremely optimistic about Collins and this team because I actually think they performed better than expected pre deadline. To my point about not inspiring confidence.....how good would this team have had to have been for them to not pivot? What were they actually thinking? It's as if they went into the season trying to compete without a team that can actually compete. Then when what we all expected to happen happened, they decided to tank....but that only leaves us with the reward of the 9th pick.
 
KqWIN said:
Not exactly, but if their intention was to build a team that could compete I would have expected them to make some moves/push some buttons to build a better team. That doesn't mean they need to cash in on everything now....I don't even think it means that the win total of this season mattered a ton, but I think they should have gotten more work done in terms of setting this team up for success. For me, this team was pretty much set up for failure post off season because it wasn't that good to begin with. I think I feel better now than if the Jazz did nothing at the deadline....but marginally and I would have felt better if the Jazz had gone the tanking or competing direction this summer. Doing both and pivoting half way through produces the least amount of benefit.

They barely pressed any buttons at all last summer. I was a proponent of the Collins trade at the time, but even with being more optimistic on Collins I did not see this as a playoff team. They had to be extremely optimistic about Collins and this team because I actually think they performed better than expected pre deadline. To my point about not inspiring confidence.....how good would this team have had to have been for them to not pivot? What were they actually thinking? It's as if they went into the season trying to compete without a team that can actually compete. Then when what we all expected to happen happened, they decided to tank....but that only leaves us with the reward of the 9th pick.
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I didn't like the Collins move at the time and its played out about how I expected. Just thought we could have done better with our space even if we just punted it with 1+1 deals we could flip later. Was just curious what you would have wanted I guess. Never expected they could build a top 6 team in the west without some serious moves and pushing some assets in. If flexibility was the goal then why lock yourself into Collins.

I'm curious whether they have the stones to sell off more talent to tank the next couple years or if they continue to kick the can down the road and hope to get lucky with a move up the lotto or hitting a homerun on a draft pick. I am sure they would love to trade for a star but I have a feeling I know how that will play out (we really liked player X but they didn't like us so are you really paying X amount of draft picks for a one year rental?)
 
gomretat said:
Going full rebuild at this point would be an admission that we have had no idea what we were doing the last few years.
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There is nothing wrong with making that admission. What would be worse is not admitting you made mistakes over the last few years and realizing that you may not be able to obtain the trajectory become a championship contender. Personally I'm worried that we are on more of a trajectory to be a middle to lower tier playoff team. A lot of people are saying to ignore what teams like the thunder, rockets, griz and spurs are doing and just focus on us but I think that is a big mistake. Those are the teams that will likely be the staples at the top of the west in the very near future and will have staying power. I like there talent quite a bit more than us currently and if we focus on win now I'm concerned we are unlikely to get the talent infusion to catch them. Yeah there is no guarantee we get that talent going full tank either but I like our chances more going that direction. I also think we could get a pretty massive haul from the nets for a Lauri and Sexton package.
 
After we go full tank and lose out on Cooper Flagg in 25 and Boozer in 26 while the Blazers/Spurs get them and Sip will tell us we need to blow up the blow up because how can we compete with those teams who will be good in 5 years?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
After we go full tank and lose out on Cooper Flagg in 25 and Boozer in 26 while the Blazers/Spurs get them and Sip will tell us we need to blow up the blow up because how can we compete with those teams who will be good in 5 years?
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This reminded me of the Rights to Ricky Sanchez. They have a reoccurring guest who is a musician and left them a voicemail during one of their many weird things that happened to Philly during this run. He said "man we just gotta do the process a couple more times and we are right there".

All of the rebuild strategies will fail without some luck. Lotto odds at the top make "the Process" less profitable for sure.
 
There are some questions that need to be answered this off season that will make a difference.
This would be my decision tree:
- Is Lauri willing to sign an extension: -if no, trade him and Sexton i.e. "full rebuild", if yes - extend him
- Is Lauri willing to be patient for a year or two while you try and accumulate more talent from the draft? - If yes - consider trading Sexton - if no, see next question
- Can you acquire players to improve the roster composition next season? - If no - "full rebuild" - if yes - acquire players and go for it
 
SoberasHotRod said:
There are some questions that need to be answered this off season that will make a difference.
This would be my decision tree:
- Is Lauri willing to sign an extension: -if no, trade him and Sexton i.e. "full rebuild", if yes - extend him
- Is Lauri willing to be patient for a year or two while you try and accumulate more talent from the draft? - If yes - consider trading Sexton - if no, see next question
- Can you acquire players to improve the roster composition next season? - If no - "full rebuild" - if yes - acquire players and go for it
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I think it’s the middle scenario more than the others. It will be confusing and frustrating… expect complaining. Not even saying that is the wrong route… just think that’s the most frustrating for many fans.
 
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