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Should we go full rebuild?

Should we go full rebuild?

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I was originally "leaning no", but am becoming increasingly in favor of a full rebuild.

Just listened to the new Duncd On where they ranked young cores, and while I don't agree with everything it is a good reminder of how primed so many teams are right now. It's easy to overrate your own pieces. Depending on how the draft lottery goes, I am becoming increasingly in favor of genuinely fielding Lauri offers. I think a Thunder second round collapse is the best case scenario for a high price offer.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
I was originally "leaning no", but am becoming increasingly in favor of a full rebuild.

Just listened to the new Duncd On where they ranked young cores, and while I don't agree with everything it is a good reminder of how primed so many teams are right now. It's easy to overrate your own pieces. Depending on how the draft lottery goes, I am becoming increasingly in favor of genuinely fielding Lauri offers. I think a Thunder second round collapse is the best case scenario for a high price offer.
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How about a first round collapse to the rockets?

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Jaanipoeg said:
I was originally "leaning no", but am becoming increasingly in favor of a full rebuild.

Just listened to the new Duncd On where they ranked young cores, and while I don't agree with everything it is a good reminder of how primed so many teams are right now. It's easy to overrate your own pieces. Depending on how the draft lottery goes, I am becoming increasingly in favor of genuinely fielding Lauri offers. I think a Thunder second round collapse is the best case scenario for a high price offer.
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No interest in trading him. But if we do OKC isn't on the list to trade to. They are going to be good for awhile and those picks are useless. Trade him to like Pistons who could get him and still suck.
 
No team wins a chip in the NBA by doing this half and half. Either suck and build for the future or don't. I like some of what we have now, but we aren't winning with the current core as is and I get the impression that Lauri might be getting a bit tired as well. We screwed our draft by waiting a bit long in deciding to go in or out on the season, so we need to commit either way.
 
TheStormofWar said:
No team wins a chip in the NBA by doing this half and half.
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I disagree. No way to know how players a team drafts will end up.

You can get players like jokic and Giannis and kawhi, and jimmy butler in drafts without tanking.

You can get guys like Michael Bennet, olawakandi, bargnani, Eddy curry etc by tanking.

I don't remember huge back to back to back tanking seasons resulting in top 3 picks from Denver or the bucks but they both have recent championships.

The warriors dynasty didn't have any top 3 picks on it from what I recall. They kind of half assed some tanks. (I think curry was like #6 and we might end up with #8 this year. Not a huge difference. Plus we could use some of our warchest of picks to move up)


Basically there are lots of ways to win championships and all of them require lots of luck.

In fact, when I look at recent NBA champs I'm not seeing lots of big time tankers.


Having said all that, I agree that it's better to tank from the beginning of the season to get the best pick possible rather than waiting until mid season.

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TheStormofWar said:
No team wins a chip in the NBA by doing this half and half. Either suck and build for the future or don't. I like some of what we have now, but we aren't winning with the current core as is and I get the impression that Lauri might be getting a bit tired as well. We screwed our draft by waiting a bit long in deciding to go in or out on the season, so we need to commit either way.
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Except a lot of them have.
 
We’ve done it twice and hasn’t worked. We got our stars early. Booz and Okur ended up being really good and got lucky with Deron. But basically just role players after that some better than others. But it wasn’t a particularly deep team past the top 2-3 players. And then after paying Deron we had almost no way to improve. Same problem with the DM Gobert team.

OKC traded for a star on a rookie contract then slow played it to perfection, now look at them. To do a half tank is risky a requires a lot of luck. A slow tank requires a lot of luck to but there’s more room for error and you can fix those errors a lot easier than when you do a quick tank. It’s just more practical.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree. No way to know how players a team drafts will end up.
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
We’ve done it twice and hasn’t worked. We got our stars early. Booz and Okur ended up being really good and got lucky with Deron. But basically just role players after that some better than others. But it wasn’t a particularly deep team past the top 2-3 players. And then after paying Deron we had almost no way to improve. Same problem with the DM Gobert team.

OKC traded for a star on a rookie contract then slow played it to perfection, now look at them. To do a half tank is risky a requires a lot of luck. A slow tank requires a lot of luck to but there’s more room for error and you can fix those errors a lot easier than when you do a quick tank. It’s just more practical.
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I meant to quote fish. Forgot to put the quote up
 
hgb said:
**** that ****, I'm all in for hoping for a 2nd round exit.
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What’s the point of that? The only way that happens is if a team goes completely cold and loses its star to injury. That still doesn’t help us get better. Whooptydo we made the playoffs that’s all we will accomplish. Get off your high horse and be a damned Jazz fan. Or log out of your account forever because this is called being a fair weathered fan.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
What’s the point of that? The only way that happens is if a team goes completely cold and loses its star to injury. That still doesn’t help us get better. Whooptydo we made the playoffs that’s all we will accomplish. Get off your high horse and be a damned Jazz fan. Or log out of your account forever because this is called being a fair weathered fan.
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I obviously want to win the whole thing, but I don't think that's very realistic. I'm definitely hoping we're as good as we can be next year, and definitely want to make the playoffs.
 
JimLes said:
In the past 40 years, 3 teams have ridden the #1 pick to a championship.
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I think he was saying that a lot of teams have won championships by half assing it. Not by tanking for the top pick. So I'm not sure your post is relevant to the post you quoted

Good info though

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hgb said:
I obviously want to win the whole thing, but I don't think that's very realistic. I'm definitely hoping we're as good as we can be next year, and definitely want to make the playoffs.
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Me too

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Tanktastic said:
Most of us don't like to be flaming idiots. And least of all you get to decide who's a fan and who's not.
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NO ACTUAL JAZZ FAN IS FINE WITH JUST BEING DECENT!! NO FAN OF ANY TEAM IF FINE WITH THEIR TEAM BEING JUST DECENT!

The word fan is short for fanatic. So therefore if you’re fine just winning some games year in year out you aren’t a fan, you’re what’s called fair weathered. So in essence, I’m not deciding who’s a fan each individual person is I just call it as I see it.

This is a rebuilding team. So barely making the play-in only hurts this team, so no fanatic in their fan mind would want this.
 
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