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Rubashov

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All I really have for the start of this thread is

Operation Midnight Hammer?

Sounds like the title of a dodgy porn film.
 
A mate of mines wife and kids are over in Europe, he's worried about how they fly back.

God knows where Iran will strike? Its likely going to be a terror attack of some sort, the question is where and how and against who? US? UK? God knows.

If Iran manages an attack on US soil it will give Trump a pretext to suspend a heap more freedoms.
 
Rubashov said:
A mate of mines wife and kids are over in Europe, he's worried about how they fly back.

God knows where Iran will strike? Its likely going to be a terror attack of some sort, the question is where and how and against who? US? UK? God knows.

If Iran manages an attack on US soil it will give Trump a pretext to suspend a heap more freedoms.
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The last line is exactly it. Trump wants to destabilize American society and the American economy so he can claim emergency presidential powers and then never give up the presidency since he will ensure we are in a constant state of emergency. The same way the Roman emperors were given power by the Senate and then just kept that power. Trump envisions doing exactly the same. There will be no need to change the Constitution to allow him to run for a third term, he will just abolish the vote in the name of national security.
 
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I want to say something before I get back to my normally scheduled hate for DJT and MAGA.

The operation using B-2 bombers was pretty amazing. They left Missouri and flew non-stop to the target in Iran, with a refuelling or two, then flew back home, again with a refuelling or two. They were never fired upon. As far as we know they were never detected.

No other nation could have done any of the parts of this operation.

Most nations overestimate their nation's military capabilities but the U.S. almost always downplays what we can do until it's time to show it in action.

If the attack was successful and Iran is out of the nuclear game then I think it was the right thing to do.

I don't think Trump did the right thing as part of some methodical scheme. I think he was upset about Russian asset Tucker Carlson clowning on Trump's camp so he said "F you!" to Tucker and bombed Iran. Like the petty little child that he is.
 
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If the final assessment supports this, it is so not good.


The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by four people briefed on it.

The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.

The analysis of the damage to the sites and the impact of the strikes on Iran’s nuclear ambitions is ongoing, and could change as more intelligence becomes available. But the early findings are at odds with President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the strikes “completely and totally obliterated” Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also said on Sunday that Iran’s nuclear ambitions “have been obliterated.”

Two of the people familiar with the assessment said Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely “intact.”

“So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,” this person added.

The White House acknowledged the existence of the assessment but said they disagreed with it.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told CNN in a statement: “This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong and was classified as ‘top secret’ but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community. The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt to demean President Trump, and discredit the brave fighter pilots who conducted a perfectly executed mission to obliterate Iran’s nuclear program. Everyone knows what happens when you drop fourteen 30,000 pound bombs perfectly on their targets: total obliteration.”
 
This is all about Orange clown wanting Nobel prize. Create a non existent problem - attack Iran without congress approval, then declare peace and claim he is a best peace maker ever, then go hysterical when peace is not happening and missiles keep flying to both Israel and Iran. Just typical orange turd circus.
 
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White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told CNN in a statement: “This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong and was classified as ‘top secret’ but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community. The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt to demean President Trump, and discredit the brave fighter pilots who conducted a perfectly executed mission to obliterate Iran’s nuclear program. Everyone knows what happens when you drop fourteen 30,000 pound bombs perfectly on their targets: total obliteration.”
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******** Barbie keeps bullshiting. Anybody can see nuclear site photos before and after strikes. Yeah few holes and craters are visible in the ground but nothing resembling total obliteration. You would expect a crater massive size after 30.000 pound bombs lol... not few tiny holes. Even if they were suppose to detonate deep under the ground.
 
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This is all about Orange clown wanting Nobel prize. Create a non existent problem - attack Iran without congress approval, then declare peace and claim he is a best peace maker ever, then go hysterical when peace is not happening and missiles keep flying to both Israel and Iran. Just typical orange turd circus.
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And that’s about the size of it. Here’s The NY Times report. I can’t see him handling this well at all. Nor will Bibi. Bibi won’t meltdown on air, but he’s not done using Trump, if he has any say, and obviously, he does.

https://archive.ph/2025.06.24-20314...025/06/24/us/politics/iran-nuclear-sites.html

A preliminary classified U.S. report says the American bombing of Iran’s nuclear sites sealed off the entrances to two of the facilities but did not collapse their underground buildings, according to officials familiar with the findings.

The early findings conclude that the strikes over the weekend set back Iran’s nuclear program by only a few months, the officials said.

Before the attack, U.S. intelligence agencies had said that if Iran tried to rush to making a bomb, it would take about three months. After the U.S. bombing run and days of attacks by the Israeli Air Force, the report by the Defense Intelligence Agency estimated that the program was delayed less than six months.

Former officials said that any rushed effort by Iran to get a bomb would be to develop a relatively small and crude device. A miniaturized warhead would be far more difficult to produce, and it is not clear how much damage to that more advanced research has taken place.

The findings suggest that President Trump’s statement that Iran’s nuclear facilities were obliterated was overstated, at least based on the initial damage assessment. Congress had been set to be briefed on the strike on Tuesday, and lawmakers were expected to ask about the findings of the assessment, but the session was postponed. Senators are now set be briefed on Thursday.

The report also said much of Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was moved before the strikes, which destroyed little of the nuclear material. Some of that may have been moved to secret nuclear sites maintained by Iran.

Some Israeli officials said they also believe that Iran has maintained small covert enrichment facilities that were built so the Iranian government could continue its nuclear program in the event of an attack on the larger facilities.
 
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******** Barbie keeps bullshiting. Anybody can see nuclear site photos before and after strikes. Yeah few holes and craters are visible in the ground but nothing resembling total obliteration. You would expect a crater massive size after 30.000 pound bombs lol... not few tiny holes. Even if they were suppose to detonate deep under the ground.
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She’s hilarious(not!), but that is the way the bombs enter the ground. Apparently, they did not “obliterate” the underground buildings. That strikes me as “failure”, since that was the goal. That failure, plus all the missing uranium, is bad news for Trump. Does he now allow Bibi to drag the United States into a forever war? Or just suck up the humiliation? Not that I would ever call the mission anything other than jaw dropping execution, and hats off to every American pilot, crews, support, etc. Amazing mission. But now I imagine we see propaganda in overdrive from Trump. He always escapes the truth, but this will be hard to ignore, and much harder to replace the facts with his “obliteration” lie.
 
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She’s hilarious(not!), but that is the way the bombs enter the ground. Apparently, they did not “obliterate” the underground buildings. That strikes me as “failure”, since that was the goal. That failure, plus all the missing uranium, is bad news for Trump. Does he now allow Bibi to drag the United States into a forever war? Or just suck up the humiliation? Not that I would ever call the mission anything other than jaw dropping execution, and hats off to every American pilot, crews, support, etc. Amazing mission. But now I imagine we see propaganda in overdrive from Trump. He always escapes the truth, but this will be hard to ignore, and much harder to replace the facts with his “obliteration” lie.
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We have no idea what the damage is. Speculation like this can only be described as "for entertainment purposes only."
 
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