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The Growing Thirst for Cruelty

I’m likely one of the older members of Jazzfanz. That being the case, it’s likely what my generation was taught from grammar through high school was perhaps more idealistic than reality would ever justify. I remember falling in love with American history very early. Not for a second did I question the assumption that we Americans always wore the white hats.

WE WERE A GOOD PEOPLE.

Can any of our resident trolls, can any of our nation’s Maga Americans understand why the death of that belief would hurt, and hurt like no tomorrow? Can MAGA understand many of us believe we are witnessing the final death knell of such a belief?

I’ve said it before, namely, that few things hurt more than seeing Americans become known, not as a good people, but for their cruelty. How can that not be heartbreaking? How do our trolls, how does MAGA in general, not feel such a devastating loss?? Well, maybe it’s as I intimated: maybe it’s my baby boomer generation that held to the ridiculous propaganda we were taught: Americans were a good people.
Certainly, in my case and many of my college bound generation at the time, the Vietnam War seriously eroded that image of “Americans wear the white hats”.

But Trump? He is destroying any notion that we are a good people.

I posted once before about the late Judge Caprio. And in the “notable passings” thread as well, since he died last week. How he came to be, quite possibly, the single most beloved citizen of America anywhere on Earth. That’s right, a case can be made. I read the comments, from nearly every country on Earth, on his Facebook “Caught in Providence” page. Everyone the world over praised his kindness.

Can we understand, what a contrast in feelings exist, in the hearts of people the world over, for a man they never met, the stark contrast in how the world felt about a simple traffic judge in the US, compared to the president of that nation? Can we see the difference between responses to KINDNESS and responses to CRUELTY?

I was naive, my generation was naive, sons and daughters of the Greatest generation, all very naive.

But, the belief that we were a good people is what is largely motivating the anti-Trump movement. It is only right and proper that those who believe in the goodness of man oppose a leader who would tell the world that America is all about cruelty now.

So, another clip of Judge Frank Caprio. Because he represented everything that is good about, and kind, and compassionate, in the heart of Mankind. He represented the best of us, and the outpouring of love at his passing is in stark contrast to how the world regards Donald Trump, and his effort to elevate cruelty as our defining attribute.

Is this so bad, MAGA? Are our trolls that enamored of cruelty for cruelty’s sake? How can cruelty be regarded as preferable to kindness?

I should have learned long ago, and I thought I did. But, no, that silly belief in our goodness persists and drives my opposition to Donald Trump.




Bottom line: to good people, kindness is a strength. Kindness is not a weakness. But to Donald Trump: there is no greater weakness than human kindness. Think about that, and just how wrong that really is. It’s born of insecurity. Nobody can say otherwise of the man, massive insecurity lies behind the thinnest skin imaginable. And it’s the heart of a bully.

Strong men are compassionate. Strong men understand being kind is not a sign of weakness. Donald Trump has never understood that. It’s the difference represented by millions mourning the passing of an obscure judge and the millions that will figuratively piss on Trump’s grave when he passes.
 
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Red said:
I’m likely one of the older members of Jazzfanz. That being the case, it’s likely what my generation was taught from grammar through high school was perhaps more idealistic than reality would ever justify. I remember falling in love with American history very early. Not for a second did I question the assumption that we Americans always wore the white hats.

WE WERE A GOOD PEOPLE.

Can any of our resident trolls, can any of our nation’s Maga Americans understand why the death of that belief would hurt, and hurt like no tomorrow? Can MAGA understand many of us believe we are witnessing the final death knell of such a belief?

I’ve said it before, namely, that few things hurt more than seeing Americans become known, not as a good people, but for their cruelty. How can that not be heartbreaking? How do our trolls, how does MAGA in general, not feel such a devastating loss?? Well, maybe it’s as I intimated: maybe it’s my baby boomer generation that held to the ridiculous propaganda we were taught: Americans were a good people.
Certainly, in my case and many of my college bound generation at the time, the Vietnam War seriously eroded that image of “Americans wear the white hats”.

But Trump? He is destroying any notion that we are a good people.

I posted once before about the late Judge Caprio. And in the “notable passings” thread as well, since he died last week. How he came to be, quite possibly, the single most beloved citizen of America anywhere on Earth. That’s right, a case can be made. I read the comments, from nearly every country on Earth, on his Facebook “Caught in Providence” page. Everyone the world over praised his kindness.

Can we understand, what a contrast in feelings exist, in the hearts of people the world over, for a man they never met, the stark contrast in how the world felt about a simple traffic judge in the US, compared to the president of that nation? Can we see the difference between responses to KINDNESS and responses to CRUELTY?

I was naive, my generation was naive, sons and daughters of the Greatest generation, all very naive.

But, the belief that we were a good people is what is largely motivating the anti-Trump movement. It is only right and proper that those who believe in the goodness of man oppose a leader who would tell the world that America is all about cruelty now.

So, another clip of Judge Frank Caprio. Because he represented everything that is good about, and kind, and compassionate, in the heart of Mankind. He represented the best of us, and the outpouring of love at his passing is in stark contrast to how the world regards Donald Trump, and his effort to elevate cruelty as our defining attribute.

Is this so bad, MAGA? Are our trolls that enamored of cruelty for cruelty’s sake? How can cruelty be regarded as preferable to kindness?

I should have learned long ago, and I thought I did. But, no, that silly belief in our goodness persists and drives my opposition to Donald Trump.




Bottom line: to good people, kindness is a strength. Kindness is not a weakness. But to Donald Trump: there is no greater weakness than human kindness. Think about that, and just how wrong that really is. It’s born of insecurity. Nobody can say otherwise of the man, massive insecurity lies behind the thinnest skin imaginable. And it’s the heart of a bully.

Strong men are compassionate. Strong men understand being kind is not a sign of weakness. Donald Trump has never understood that. It’s the difference represented by millions mourning the passing of an obscure judge and the millions that will figuratively piss on Trump’s grave when he passes.
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Around 40 percent of the country believes empathy and kindness are weaknesses and want a right wing dictator.
 
Red said:
I’m likely one of the older members of Jazzfanz. That being the case, it’s likely what my generation was taught from grammar through high school was perhaps more idealistic than reality would ever justify. I remember falling in love with American history very early. Not for a second did I question the assumption that we Americans always wore the white hats.

WE WERE A GOOD PEOPLE.

Can any of our resident trolls, can any of our nation’s Maga Americans understand why the death of that belief would hurt, and hurt like no tomorrow? Can MAGA understand many of us believe we are witnessing the final death knell of such a belief?

I’ve said it before, namely, that few things hurt more than seeing Americans become known, not as a good people, but for their cruelty. How can that not be heartbreaking? How do our trolls, how does MAGA in general, not feel such a devastating loss?? Well, maybe it’s as I intimated: maybe it’s my baby boomer generation that held to the ridiculous propaganda we were taught: Americans were a good people.
Certainly, in my case and many of my college bound generation at the time, the Vietnam War seriously eroded that image of “Americans wear the white hats”.

But Trump? He is destroying any notion that we are a good people.

I posted once before about the late Judge Caprio. And in the “notable passings” thread as well, since he died last week. How he came to be, quite possibly, the single most beloved citizen of America anywhere on Earth. That’s right, a case can be made. I read the comments, from nearly every country on Earth, on his Facebook “Caught in Providence” page. Everyone the world over praised his kindness.

Can we understand, what a contrast in feelings exist, in the hearts of people the world over, for a man they never met, the stark contrast in how the world felt about a simple traffic judge in the US, compared to the president of that nation? Can we see the difference between responses to KINDNESS and responses to CRUELTY?

I was naive, my generation was naive, sons and daughters of the Greatest generation, all very naive.

But, the belief that we were a good people is what is largely motivating the anti-Trump movement. It is only right and proper that those who believe in the goodness of man oppose a leader who would tell the world that America is all about cruelty now.

So, another clip of Judge Frank Caprio. Because he represented everything that is good about, and kind, and compassionate, in the heart of Mankind. He represented the best of us, and the outpouring of love at his passing is in stark contrast to how the world regards Donald Trump, and his effort to elevate cruelty as our defining attribute.

Is this so bad, MAGA? Are our trolls that enamored of cruelty for cruelty’s sake? How can cruelty be regarded as preferable to kindness?

I should have learned long ago, and I thought I did. But, no, that silly belief in our goodness persists and drives my opposition to Donald Trump.




Bottom line: to good people, kindness is a strength. Kindness is not a weakness. But to Donald Trump: there is no greater weakness than human kindness. Think about that, and just how wrong that really is. It’s born of insecurity. Nobody can say otherwise of the man, massive insecurity lies behind the thinnest skin imaginable. And it’s the heart of a bully.

Strong men are compassionate. Strong men understand being kind is not a sign of weakness. Donald Trump has never understood that. It’s the difference represented by millions mourning the passing of an obscure judge and the millions that will figuratively piss on Trump’s grave when he passes.
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You're older and you're still a lefty? Sad, man.
 
PJF said:
You're older and you're still a lefty? Sad, man.
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Yes, I was raised by my father, who fought fascism in the Second World War. And I earned multiple degrees in history. Specifically studying 20th century fascism, and its ideological/racial superiority roots. So I understand and recognize fascism when it raises its ugly head. History INFORMS the present, PJF. In this country, that specie of fascism can be called “Americanism”. Just as Hitler’s publicly stated aim was, in his own words, “to make Germany great again!”, including by exterminating “the un pure races”, so is Trump singling out “the other” in typical fascist “us vs. them” style. All fascists create scapegoats. In Trump’s case, it’s “undocumented human beings”, but it goes far beyond. For example, his Nazi loving aide Stephen Miller just said the Democratic Party is a “domestic terrorist organization”! Trump refers to the press as “the enemy of the people”. All these disgusting statements by Trump and his lackeys proves one thing to me: My dad, and all his brothers, who fought against fascism 80+ years ago, would be labeled “the enemy within” by Trump, by Miller, by MAGA.

So, yes, a good upbringing by a good man, and a good education in the history of Western civilization, saw to it that I still lean in the direction of a moral universe. I refuse to give up on compassion, on caring for others, on respecting hard won human knowledge, on all the things that inhumane monsters like Donald Trump would destroy.

(And yes, guys, I know he’s a troll, but it’s good to take this opportunity to show PJB what he’s a actually supporting, his ignorant anti-American agenda is disgusting, his desire to elevate the darker angels of human nature an appalling central trait of the MAGA movement).

Try being a human being, PJB. You might like it…..
 
Red said:
Yes, I was raised by my father, who fought fascism in the Second World War. And I earned multiple degrees in history. Specifically studying 20th century fascism, and its ideological/racial superiority roots. So I understand and recognize fascism when it raises its ugly head. History INFORMS the present, PJF. In this country, that specie of fascism can be called “Americanism”. Just as Hitler’s publicly stated aim was, in his own words, “to make Germany great again!”, including by exterminating “the un pure races”, so is Trump singling out “the other” in typical fascist “us vs. them” style. All fascists create scapegoats. In Trump’s case, it’s “undocumented human beings”, but it goes far beyond. For example, his Nazi loving aide Stephen Miller just said the Democratic Party is a “domestic terrorist organization”! Trump refers to the press as “the enemy of the people”. All these disgusting statements by Trump and his lackeys proves one thing to me: My dad, and all his brothers, who fought against fascism 80+ years ago, would be labeled “the enemy within” by Trump, by Miller, by MAGA.

So, yes, a good upbringing by a good man, and a good education in the history of Western civilization, saw to it that I still lean in the direction of a moral universe. I refuse to give up on compassion, on caring for others, on respecting hard won human knowledge, on all the things that inhumane monsters like Donald Trump would destroy.

(And yes, guys, I know he’s a troll, but it’s good to take this opportunity to show PJB what he’s a actually supporting, his ignorant anti-American agenda is disgusting, his desire to elevate the darker angels of human nature an appalling central trait of the MAGA movement).

Try being a human being, PJB. You might like it…..
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The cruel dictates of RFK Jr. proving to be too much for CDC officials dedicated to science. Next thing you know, Trump will be appointing a chemtrails expert as Director of the National Science Foundation. Or maybe a flat Earther. The entire elevation of and insistent promotion(You WILL accept these facts, or Trump will come for you) of fake science, fake history, etc., is common enough in authoritarian leaders, but this may rank as one of the best example of a nation crumbling from outright stupidity ever seen.


View: https://x.com/dr_demetre/status/1960843433473376602
 
Red said:
The cruel dictates of RFK Jr. proving to be too much for CDC officials dedicated to science. Next thing you know, Trump will be appointing a chemtrails expert as Director of the National Science Foundation. Or maybe a flat Earther. The entire elevation of and insistent promotion(You WILL accept these facts, or Trump will come for you) of fake science, fake history, etc., is common enough in authoritarian leaders, but this may rank as one of the best example of a nation crumbling from outright stupidity ever seen.


View: https://x.com/dr_demetre/status/1960843433473376602
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the comments are so great

View: https://x.com/NelisonDarin/status/1960861423908872701
 
Kennedy himself is likely mentally ill. We really should be concerned. He’s been hinting he will announce in Sept. that the study he launched to determine the cause of autism in April, will prove vaccines cause autism. Kennedy is deranged. Doesn’t need to be institutionalized, it’s not that kind of mental illness, but we have a quack at the head of America’s public health.




View: https://x.com/jamesbowenjr/status/1961074847728927107
 
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Yes, I was raised by my father, who fought fascism in the Second World War. And I earned multiple degrees in history. Specifically studying 20th century fascism, and its ideological/racial superiority roots. So I understand and recognize fascism when it raises its ugly head. History INFORMS the present, PJF. In this country, that specie of fascism can be called “Americanism”. Just as Hitler’s publicly stated aim was, in his own words, “to make Germany great again!”, including by exterminating “the un pure races”, so is Trump singling out “the other” in typical fascist “us vs. them” style. All fascists create scapegoats. In Trump’s case, it’s “undocumented human beings”, but it goes far beyond. For example, his Nazi loving aide Stephen Miller just said the Democratic Party is a “domestic terrorist organization”! Trump refers to the press as “the enemy of the people”. All these disgusting statements by Trump and his lackeys proves one thing to me: My dad, and all his brothers, who fought against fascism 80+ years ago, would be labeled “the enemy within” by Trump, by Miller, by MAGA.

So, yes, a good upbringing by a good man, and a good education in the history of Western civilization, saw to it that I still lean in the direction of a moral universe. I refuse to give up on compassion, on caring for others, on respecting hard won human knowledge, on all the things that inhumane monsters like Donald Trump would destroy.

(And yes, guys, I know he’s a troll, but it’s good to take this opportunity to show PJB what he’s a actually supporting, his ignorant anti-American agenda is disgusting, his desire to elevate the darker angels of human nature an appalling central trait of the MAGA movement).

Try being a human being, PJB. You might like it…..
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Thank you, Red!
 
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The cruel dictates of RFK Jr. proving to be too much for CDC officials dedicated to science. Next thing you know, Trump will be appointing a chemtrails expert as Director of the National Science Foundation. Or maybe a flat Earther. The entire elevation of and insistent promotion(You WILL accept these facts, or Trump will come for you) of fake science, fake history, etc., is common enough in authoritarian leaders, but this may rank as one of the best example of a nation crumbling from outright stupidity ever seen.


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These resignations are what they want. It makes them look weak to the mouth-breathers who keep Trump in power and it is the simplest way for them to put sycophants in place. It's playing into their hands. Just like when academics left the country, that's what they want. Academics are among those who can put up a legitimate front against fascism. Leaving the country is just handing it over to the fascists. I'm not impressed.
 
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These resignations are what they want. It makes them look weak to the mouth-breathers who keep Trump in power and it is the simplest way for them to put sycophants in place. It's playing into their hands. Just like when academics left the country, that's what they want. Academics are among those who can put up a legitimate front against fascism. Leaving the country is just handing it over to the fascists. I'm not impressed.
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Quite a few ****icized Timothy Snyder, and his wife, both Yale academics, for taking positions at the University of Toronto, and moving to Canada. Both said they did so, in part, to allow their young son to not grow up in a fascist country. Snyder got a prestigious seat in the history dept.

Research scientists are in a different situation. They depend on grants. I just saw a story, forget the university, announcing they will not accept grad students in one of their science departments. Young scholars, in particular, are faced with choosing another career path, or look abroad.

And that’s the case with veteran researchers as well.

Yeah, it is understandable when historians, and scholars of fascism move, and are accused of abandoning America when we need their voices the most.

The fired director of the CDC said there were two things Kennedy could ask her, that she would need to refuse. Standing up for what you believe in, and refusing to resign, I have no argument with that decision.
 
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Quite a few ****icized Timothy Snyder, and his wife, both Yale academics, for taking positions at the University of Toronto, and moving to Canada. Both said they did so, in part, to allow their young son to not grow up in a fascist country. Snyder got a prestigious seat in the history dept.

Research scientists are in a different situation. They depend on grants. I just saw a story, forget the university, announcing they will not accept grad students in one of their science departments. Young scholars, in particular, are faced with choosing another career path, or look abroad.

And that’s the case with veteran researchers as well.

Yeah, it is understandable when historians, and scholars of fascism move, and are accused of abandoning America when we need their voices the most.

The fired director of the CDC said there were two things Kennedy could ask her, that she would need to refuse. Standing up for what you believe in, and refusing to resign, I have no argument with that decision.
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On a personal level I don't question them at all. You have to make the best decision for yourself and your family in every situation. Nothing, not politics nor religion nor anything else should change that fact. It doesn't change the fact that it's still exactly what the fascists want. Hitler called the academics traitors, and the only reason he hunted then down was for what they could be forced to contribute to the war effort. In Germany many stayed thinking that they could sway the way their country was headed and only left when it was nearly too late for them. The physicists were largely among the last to get out and were the ones most actively hunted for their ability to help develop new weapons. So I don't blame them individually at all for making decisions that are best for them and their families. Hell, if I had the means I would have taken my full extended family and fled to Germany already. No, I'm just pointing out, it's exactly what the fascists want.

But being selfish in my own right, and wanting this scourge eradicated from my country, I hope those who have a real voice in this, who have a real chance of mounting a resistance, will choose to put country, meaning me lol, first and stick around to do what they can to add their voices to those with power to effect change. They have the means to get out, and personally I will never begrudge them that. Millions more just plain don't. Who speaks for them when those with a real voice are gone?

Fascists and wannabe fascists throughout history have found that answer. The answer is, no one.
 
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