2014 NBA Playoffs: Conference Finals

[Deleted member 365]

Except you know, when Carmello, Deron, CP3 and Harden all got traded for young role players (with potential) and draft picks.

Swing and a miss.

Apples to oranges. Those teams didn't want to pay up or knew that their superstar was leaving after that season.

According to Hoopshype, Westbrook isn't even a free agent until after the 2017-2018 season. Do you have inside info that he will bolt after that season? Even if he did, the Thunder still can get a few good years out of him. Do you have inside info that indicates that Westbrook doesn't like playing in OKC and will demand a trade in the coming months?

Again, nice try sparky. Better luck next time

 

[Deleted member 365]

I don't want to hear any complaints about the refs from OKC fans.

Westbrook carries the ball at least 3 times per game and never gets called.

Duncan got hacked twice on dunk/layup attempts and didn't get the call. That "block" KD had? Ummm yeah, all arm very little if any ball. Fisher was hacking every time down the court. He was whistled a few times while holding up Diaw and Duncan down low. He wasn't when he was out on the perimeter hacking and holding away.

Then the goal tend.

Combine that with the Clippers debacle? Ask Doc Rivers what he thought of the refs...

Ummmm yeah, okc got away with murder.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't want to hear any complaints about the refs from OKC fans.

Westbrook carries the ball at least 3 times per game and never gets called.

Duncan got hacked twice on dunk/layup attempts and didn't get the call. That "block" KD had? Ummm yeah, all arm very little if any ball. Fisher was hacking every time down the court. He was whistled a few times while holding up Diaw and Duncan down low. He wasn't when he was out on the perimeter hacking and holding away.

Then the goal tend.

Combine that with the Clippers debacle? Ask Doc Rivers what he thought of the refs...

Ummmm yeah, okc got away with murder.

Is someone blaming the refs for why okc lost?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Is someone blaming the refs for why okc lost?

Did you forget to read post 225?

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Swing and a miss.

Apples to oranges. Those teams didn't want to pay up or knew that their superstar was leaving after that season.

According to Hoopshype, Westbrook isn't even a free agent until after the 2017-2018 season. Do you have inside info that he will bolt after that season? Even if he did, the Thunder still can get a few good years out of him. Do you have inside info that indicates that Westbrook doesn't like playing in OKC and will demand a trade in the coming months?

Again, nice try sparky. Better luck next time

Yours is the primary answer, but while those guys are/were great, there are people out there saying (and I think SAS might agree) that Westbrook is as good or better than Durant. Durant was the MVP and is the consensus 2nd best player in the league. Westbrook was as good if not better than the MVP/second best player in the league when it mattered. As good as Harden, CP3, Melo are, RW might be on another level. But yeah, ultimately those trades were made because those guys weren't going to re-sign.

My question is whether a team can win a title with two #1s, two alpha dogs. I tend to think they can, but who knows.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

...that was a well deserved "makeup" call, true or false?

True, but one led to 3 points, the other led to 2 points.

So who got the overall benefit of bad reffing for those 2 plays?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Swing and a miss.

Apples to oranges. Those teams didn't want to pay up or knew that their superstar was leaving after that season.

According to Hoopshype, Westbrook isn't even a free agent until after the 2017-2018 season. Do you have inside info that he will bolt after that season? Even if he did, the Thunder still can get a few good years out of him. Do you have inside info that indicates that Westbrook doesn't like playing in OKC and will demand a trade in the coming months?

Again, nice try sparky. Better luck next time

You clearly said "You don't trade elite players for role players" and I just pointed out it has happened and has happened often. Pretty sure Dwill wasn't in the last year of his contract when he was traded, no?

 

[fishonjazz]

Did you forget to read post 225?

Swing and a miss for the thriller

Yeah, how did all those refs miss that moving screen Duncan set on Fisher too that opened up a wide open Ginobili 3???

Nothing in this post says that cyrone is a thunder fan blaming the refs for the loss.

someone else was saying that the refs favored the thunder by missing a goal tending call so cy was just showing that the refs missed calls on BOTH teams

 

[Deleted member 365]

You clearly said "You don't trade elite players for role players" and I just pointed out it has happened and has happened often. Pretty sure Dwill wasn't in the last year of his contract when he was traded, no?

Deron was under contract for 1 more year and then had a player option. Had we waited 1 more year his trade value would have sunk since it would have been clearer that he wasn't going to stay and interested parties would merely wait for his free agency than actually give up something.

Regarding Deron's free agency and chances of resigning with the Jazz, Greg Miller even said, "I never saw any indication he would."

Teams don't trade away franchise players unless they know they won't resign with them/the team is entering a rebuild mode. If you can provide examples proving otherwise, go ahead. Otherwise, I'll just assume you're arguing just for the same of arguing without any actual data to support your argument.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Yours is the primary answer, but while those guys are/were great, there are people out there saying (and I think SAS might agree) that Westbrook is as good or better than Durant. Durant was the MVP and is the consensus 2nd best player in the league. Westbrook was as good if not better than the MVP/second best player in the league when it mattered. As good as Harden, CP3, Melo are, RW might be on another level. But yeah, ultimately those trades were made because those guys weren't going to re-sign.

My question is whether a team can win a title with two #1s, two alpha dogs. I tend to think they can, but who knows.

Scotty Brooks is a crappy coach and can you think of a worse starting center in the nba than Perkins? Good luck...

 

[Deleted member 365]

Swing and a miss for the thriller



Nothing in this post says that cyrone is a thunder fan blaming the refs for the loss.

someone else was saying that the refs favored the thunder by missing a goal tending call so cy was just showing that the refs missed calls on BOTH teams

What about the hacks on Duncan? Durant's "block" on Duncan where he got all arm?

The refs missed some big ones which favored okc.

I get that CY wasn't exactly claiming that the refs gave it away. However, you'll read a lot of it online. Especially on twitter. Reading Cy's post only reminded me to dispel any notion that the refs somehow screwed over okc.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Deron was under contract for 1 more year and then had a player option. Had we waited 1 more year his trade value would have sunk since it would have been clearer that he wasn't going to stay and interested parties would merely wait for his free agency than actually give up something.

Regarding Deron's free agency and chances of resigning with the Jazz, Greg Miller even said, "I never saw any indication he would."

Teams don't trade away franchise players unless they know they won't resign with them/the team is entering a rebuild mode. If you can provide examples proving otherwise, go ahead. Otherwise, I'll just assume you're arguing just for the same of arguing without any actual data to support your argument.

Jazz didn't know D-Will wouldn't re-sign.