2016 NBA Free Agency Talk

[The Midnight]

Not really. Left the team that drafted him to chase a ring on a Super team. Dreams pretty similar to me.

Stephen A Smith's got an answer for ya... (First 2 min.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YvUzRwQFjk

 

[BTP]

Broussard is the obvious answer to replace Skip on low salary and let him engage in polarizing banter with Screaming A-hole Smith.
His remarkable collection of journalistic own goals leading to the multiple sauces meme built his personality up to be the next ESPN doofus.

That being said I think there are similarities between KD to GSW and LeBron to Miami. KD is the most complete scorer in the league. He came close but unlike LeBron he had better support around him. The difference is just that he joins the runner up and '15 champ, whereas executive Riley had just torn down the aged '06 champs, but retooled around a finals MVP in his prime.
It just wasn't common knowledge at that point that the Heat were only good with free agents but couldn't value/utilize draft picks to keep the engine running and rejuvenate and the HEAT were 4 years removed from the title. But it was clear that with Bosh they'd be a super team and frontrunners for years(Surprisingly they got trashed in 2/4 years, needed a ring chaser to bail them out in 1 year and the only convincing championship series came in the year where Dallas tore it down, the Thunder were too inexperienced, San Antonio hadn't rediscovered their old/new identity quite yet and didn't trust their depth to the degree that made them purity eye candy a year later, the grinding Pacers were not quite there yet, the Celtics were throwing a last hail mary at them without any depth and Derrick Rose's career was sealed.

KD just went to an organization that's way more modern, much more likely to persevere, less time removed from being historic as a team compared to Miami. But I think the likelihood that this thing doesn't have an apparent expiration date is what makes them so much more unlikeable as it potentially destroys parity paired with the fact that there's no other unreasonably stacked contender.
At the time of LeBron you knew the Mavs had depth and talent as long as they stayed healthy. The Lakers were pretty stacked but you didn't anticipate they would get outplayed so hard and were content with their two in a row.
It was the last time the Celtics showed willingness to fight.

 

[fishonjazz]

Like when Lebron went to Miami? GTFO.

There is a difference. Lebron went to a Miami team that wasn't very good and was definitely their best player and wanted to contribute and be the main reason Miami would win a title. Miami hadn't just barely beat LeBrons Cleveland team in the playoffs.

Durant left his very very good team to go to the best team in the league to try to be gifted a title. The team that just beat his okc team in the playoffs (when durant and his team choked away a 3-1 series lead) The warriors could win the championship without durant. No way that Miami team wins the championship without lebron.

 

[fishonjazz]

PORT just matched Brooklyn's 4 year $75m offer to Allen Crabbe.



That's nearly $20m PER YEAR for Allen Crabbe.



Allen Crabbe!!!!



How much does Favors make? LOL ...

So dumb

 

[fishonjazz]

Broussard is the obvious answer to replace Skip on low salary and let him engage in polarizing banter with Screaming A-hole Smith.
His remarkable collection of journalistic own goals leading to the multiple sauces meme built his personality up to be the next ESPN doofus.

That being said I think there are similarities between KD to GSW and LeBron to Miami. KD is the most complete scorer in the league. He came close but unlike LeBron he had better support around him. The difference is just that he joins the runner up and '15 champ, whereas executive Riley had just torn down the aged '06 champs, but retooled around a finals MVP in his prime.
It just wasn't common knowledge at that point that the Heat were only good with free agents but couldn't value/utilize draft picks to keep the engine running and rejuvenate and the HEAT were 4 years removed from the title. But it was clear that with Bosh they'd be a super team and frontrunners for years(Surprisingly they got trashed in 2/4 years, needed a ring chaser to bail them out in 1 year and the only convincing championship series came in the year where Dallas tore it down, the Thunder were too inexperienced, San Antonio hadn't rediscovered their old/new identity quite yet and didn't trust their depth to the degree that made them purity eye candy a year later, the grinding Pacers were not quite there yet, the Celtics were throwing a last hail mary at them without any depth and Derrick Rose's career was sealed.

The biggest difference between what LeBron did act's what durant is doing is that durant could not even play in a single game and the warriors would have a chance at winning the title (probably would even still be the favorites)

If LeBron didn't play a single game for that Miami team then they would have no shot at a title. Lebron was the key piece of that Miami team.

 

[BTP]

The biggest difference between what LeBron did act's what durant is doing is that durant could not even play in a single game and the warriors would have a chance at winning the title (probably would even still be the favorites)

If LeBron didn't play a single game for that Miami team then they would have no shot at a title. Lebron was the key piece of that Miami team.

The only reason they have a chance without him is that he's on the team. Do you think that the Warriors would be ring chasers heaven to the degree they are rn if Durant isn't on the roster? If all that changes is Iggy, Bogut are a year older, Harrison Barnes is kept and sucks less maybe + a regular amount/quality of ring chaser to fill out the roster, then they're decent favorites to the degree they were last season.
But subtract Barnes and give them only the avg gollums then they are in the same ballpark as the Spurs and Cavs.

 

[BTP]

The biggest difference between what LeBron did act's what durant is doing is that durant could not even play in a single game and the warriors would have a chance at winning the title (probably would even still be the favorites)

If LeBron didn't play a single game for that Miami team then they would have no shot at a title. Lebron was the key piece of that Miami team.

If MIami used their assets and space to add someone else instead of LeBron they could have very well won, too.

 

[fishonjazz]

If MIami used their assets and space to add someone else instead of LeBron they could have very well won, too.

If if if. I'm speaking about what actually happened.

You want to talk ifs? Well IF lebron had left a team that had a dwayne wade (westbrook) and chris bosh (ibaka/adams) on it to go to boston celtics that were the championship favorites (warriors) with an already established big three of KG (draymond), Paul pierce (klay), and ray allen (steph) then the two scenarios would be the same.

Instead what actually happened was lebron left a trash team with no stars on it and a poor supporting cast (different than durants thunder team) to go try to build a championship team (The warriors already had a championship team built) that may or may not work out and get to a championship level. (Durant already knows the warriors are a championship level team.)

Similar situations? Sure. Certainly not the same though.

 

[fishonjazz]

What lebron did is much more similar to what kg, ray allen, Paul pierce, chris bosh and wade did (try to create and build a big three and a championship caliber team) than what durant did (go to a team that already has their big three and is already championship caliber).

 

[fishonjazz]

If Cleveland would have added a supporting cast similar to what durant had in okc then lebron probably wins a championship in his first stint Cleveland and he never even goes to Miami.

 

[BTP]

If if if. I'm speaking about what actually happened.

You want to talk ifs? Well IF lebron had left a team that had a dwayne wade (westbrook) and chris bosh (ibaka/adams) on it to go to boston celtics that were the championship favorites (warriors) with an already established big three of KG (draymond), Paul pierce (klay), and ray allen (steph) then the two scenarios would be the same.

Instead what actually happened was lebron left a trash team with no stars on it and a poor supporting cast (different than durants thunder team) to go try to build a championship team (The warriors already had a championship team built) that may or may not work out and get to a championship level. (Durant already knows the warriors are a championship level team.)

Similar situations? Sure. Certainly not the same though.

It's still similar in the sense that the rest of the league are at a steep disadvantage on paper. It's like they have to climb the Mount Everest without a tent,a sherpa and 21st century high tech clothing, while during LeBron's Miami era they at least had the sherpas.
With LeBron's move there was more uncertainty as you didn't know how well he'd share the ball with Wade, who BTW just had the two best individual seasons of any SG post Jordan and a whopping usage rate of 35% and Assistrate of 40% on middling Miami teams.
In Golden STate you know that everybody minus Durant already has chemistry and proven they can work together and now it's only that Kevin getts Barnes's possessions and some of Steph's and some of Draymond's. So the slightly changed roles resulting in huge unhappiness in the players(Durant + Dray are the ones primed hypothetically) is the biggest uncertainty about this superteam behind potential for injuries.
The difference is that Durant leaves a good situation for a better one.
LeBron's was way more difficult.
The cap development makes Durant's move possible.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's still similar in the sense that the rest of the league are at a steep disadvantage on paper. It's like they have to climb the Mount Everest without a tent,a sherpa and 21st century high tech clothing, while during LeBron's Miami era they at least had the sherpas.
With LeBron's move there was more uncertainty as you didn't know how well he'd share the ball with Wade, who BTW just had the two best individual seasons of any SG post Jordan and a whopping usage rate of 35% and Assistrate of 40% on middling Miami teams.
In Golden STate you know that everybody minus Durant already has chemistry and proven they can work together and now it's only that Kevin getts Barnes's possessions and some of Steph's and some of Draymond's. So the slightly changed roles resulting in huge unhappiness in the players(Durant + Dray are the ones primed hypothetically) is the biggest uncertainty about this superteam behind potential for injuries.
The difference is that Durant leaves a good situation for a better one.
LeBron's was way more difficult.
The cap development makes Durant's move possible.

I agree with all of this. They are similar situations. But not the same. What durant did looks weaker and more like a bitch move than what lebron, kg, allen, bosh did is all I'm saying.