2016 NBA Playoff Thread

[NAOS]

People are saying that a shove like that from out of bounds should result in a technical, which would have allowed the Spurs to tie it up AND given them the ball. We'll see what the NBA says the official call should have been though.

And let's not act like them stealing the ball on that chaotic frenzy is the same thing as getting to run a set play.

The point is that an obvious shove occurred right in front of the ref and he did nothing; Manu's toe crossing the line for a second doesn't negate that. It was as obvious a call you could ask for that determined the outcome of a playoff game.

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If it had happened to the jazz, then everyone of these fools would be leading their own separate revolt. They'd be threatening officials' families.

 

[spycam1]

I disagree. Often teams don't call a timeout because they don't want the defense to get set. iirc mills got a wide open three on that last play. (I could be wrong about that but I think he did)
Also, couldn't they have called a timeout and run a set play?

Is there a rule about giving the inbounder a certain amount of space to inbound the ball? (I have no idea)



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I don't remember. But you're obviously not allowed to cross the line. Missing a toe crossing a line is just nothing compared to missing a guy shoving someone else right in front of you.

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[fishonjazz]

The point is that an obvious shove occurred right in front of the ref and he did nothing; Manu's toe crossing the line for a second doesn't negate that.

Just want to add that if manu did cross the out of bounds line then that is illegal.... If he crossed the line before being elbowed then it should have been called first and in that case it would in fact negate the elbow. (Since the whistle would have already blown and the elbow never would have even occurred)

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[fishonjazz]

If it had happened to the jazz, then everyone of these fools would be leading their own separate revolt. They'd be threatening officials' families.

You are correct. It didn't happen to the jazz though so some of us fools can be objective about it.

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[spycam1]

Just want to add that if manu did cross the out of bounds line then that is illegal.... If he crossed the line before he elbowed then it should have been called first and in that case it would in fact negate the elbow. (Since the whistle would have already blown and the elbow never would have even occurred)

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You're missing the point. Not seeing a toe cross a line is very excusable. Not calling a shove that occurs two feet in front of you is not. One can easily be seen as human error while the other cannot.

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[NAOS]

You are correct. It didn't happen to the jazz though so some of us fools can be objective about it.

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I don't think you're being objective right now.

 

[fishonjazz]

You're missing the point. Not seeing a toe cross a line is very excusable. Not calling a shove that occurs two feet in front of you is not. One can easily be seen as human error while the other cannot.

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I see that point. I'm saying that it sounds like both teams got away with something and then the spurs still got the ball and got a great look.

Bigger travesties happen in the nba all the time imo.

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[spycam1]

Just want to add that if manu did cross the out of bounds line then that is illegal.... If he crossed the line before being elbowed then it should have been called first and in that case it would in fact negate the elbow. (Since the whistle would have already blown and the elbow never would have even occurred)

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We don't know that the shove wouldn't have occurred if they had blown the whistle and begun again.

If someone's toe crossing the line allows the offensive player to elbow the defender in the chest, then my open gym just got a lot more interesting.

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[spycam1]

I see that point. I'm saying that it sounds like both teams got away with something and then the spurs still got the ball and got a great look.

Bigger travesties happen in the nba all the time imo.

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These incorrect calls are not even in the same stratosphere.

And like I said, had the correct call been made, it would have resulted in more than just the Spurs getting the ball: they would have shot a FT. So the fact that they still managed to steal the ball is irrelevant.

I don't know how you can watch that replay and not think that the ref completely ****ed up. Charles, Kenny, Shaq, and Webber were all completely baffled during the live feed. They all said they have never seen anything like this.

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[fishonjazz]

We don't know that the shove wouldn't have occurred if they had blown the whistle and begun again.

Well what is the penalty for a him crossing the line? Simply start over or a free throw for the thunder and the ball? I have no idea.

I think if you are inbounding the ball and the defender is standing out of bounds and not giving you the required room to pass the ball inbounds then you should be able to push then away from you.

I watched the play and it didn't make me think it was the worst no call ever. I think the ref should have made ginobli move back a bit and not even be in range for an elbow.
I have seen refs make players move back away from the inbounder many times in the past. They should have in this scenario too imo.

We just see this play differently I guess.

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[fishonjazz]

These incorrect calls are not even in the same stratosphere.

And like I said, had the correct call been made, it would have resulted in more than just the Spurs getting the ball: they would have shot a FT. So the fact that they still managed to steal the ball is irrelevant.

I don't know how you can watch that replay and not think that the ref completely ****ed up. Charles, Kenny, Shaq, and Webber were all completely baffled during the live feed. They all said they have never seen anything like this.

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I think ginobli was too close to the inbounder and the ref should have moved him back a bit.

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[spycam1]

I think ginobli was too close to the inbounder and the ref should have moved him back a bit.

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My guess is that the play was clean other than the second where his toe crosses the line. That does not give Waiters the right to commit a flagrant foul on him.

There were two incorrect no calls: one was extremely minor and excusable by human error; the other was a major and blatantly obvious call not excusable by human error. These two things do not cancel each other out. They're not remotely comparable.

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