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2016 NBA Playoff Thread

Steve Kerr exposed as a mediocre coach, which was pretty obvious from the start. All of that wannabe-Pop ****, thinking he's the ****.

A mediocre coach who help hone a fine offensive system with the help of his peers. A piss-poor micromanager, leaving game-tying buckets to rushed Curry threes.

Those inbounds at the end of the game told the complete story, really. Ty Lue outclassed him.
 
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Epic performance by Lebron and also to a lesser degree but still really important Irving. But the league definitely pushed for the Cavs to win or at least to extend the series. The Ws also straight up choked game 7 away. They had plenty of opportunities to take this game over and failed to do so. They made stupid plays, missed easy shots/FTs. They also had multiple chance to take the lead after Lebron tried and failed to close the game out solo. Ws should have kept running their sets. I think multiple players for the Ws felt they were going to win this game no problem and wanted to be "the man" or hit the big shot and choked in so doing. They are a team that is great because they play good team ball on both ends.

As far as Lebron being GOAT I think he pushed himself closer but he is not in the Jordan conversation. If he wins 2 more as the top player I think a legit debate begins that is close. If he wins 1 more I think we will have to think about it but it will still be Jordan. His record in the finals definitely hurts him. The 6-0 as the star player in the finals is hard to argue with for Jordan. I know Lebron has some great stats in the Finals but this is his first legit championship after bailing and chasing a ring with other star players. Jordan came into the league much older than Lebron and stepped away for 2 years. After his second retirement Jordan came back but he was old and just wanting to play. I dont think he thought he would take that team to the finals and win with him. Basically of the 12 real seasons in the NBA Jordan won 6 rings. He was .500 for seasons with a championship. He also won 6 in a row as a the star player. Lebron has already played in 13 seasons and has won 3 rings but that isnt enough. Number of points scored and other stats are kind of hard to compare since the NBA is so different. Jordan would have scored at will and many more points if he played with todays hand check rules, the way it is officiated and the far less physical contact in the game and paint. I dont think he can hold up too much longer since so much of his game is built on being an elite athlete. Lebron needs to win 2 more in a row for me to start listening and thinking its a decent argument for him to be a GOAT. Personally I think Lebron should think about moving to the PF spot for the rest of his career and working a lot on his shot and it being consistent. He could extend his career quite a bit as an elite stretch 4. He could be a rich mans Draymond.
 
For me, in the LBJ/MJ discussion, it comes down to the fact that MJ was the best offensive and the best defensive player I've ever seen. So until I see somebody better on offense or defense, that won't change.

Having said that, Lebron in 2015 became the first player in NBA history to lead both finals teams in Pts, Reb, Asts, Rebs. All he did for an encore was follow that up in 2016 by duplicating that feat and adding blocks and steals.

So while I can't say he's the best, he's definitely the most complete and versatile player ever to pay the game. Besides the stats above, he can guard 1 thru 5, something MJ couldn't do.
 
Broncster said:
Epic performance by Lebron and also to a lesser degree but still really important Irving. But the league definitely pushed for the Cavs to win or at least to extend the series. The Ws also straight up choked game 7 away. They had plenty of opportunities to take this game over and failed to do so. They made stupid plays, missed easy shots/FTs. They also had multiple chance to take the lead after Lebron tried and failed to close the game out solo. Ws should have kept running their sets. I think multiple players for the Ws felt they were going to win this game no problem and wanted to be "the man" or hit the big shot and choked in so doing. They are a team that is great because they play good team ball on both ends.

As far as Lebron being GOAT I think he pushed himself closer but he is not in the Jordan conversation. If he wins 2 more as the top player I think a legit debate begins that is close. If he wins 1 more I think we will have to think about it but it will still be Jordan. His record in the finals definitely hurts him. The 6-0 as the star player in the finals is hard to argue with for Jordan. I know Lebron has some great stats in the Finals but this is his first legit championship after bailing and chasing a ring with other star players. Jordan came into the league much older than Lebron and stepped away for 2 years. After his second retirement Jordan came back but he was old and just wanting to play. I dont think he thought he would take that team to the finals and win with him. Basically of the 12 real seasons in the NBA Jordan won 6 rings. He was .500 for seasons with a championship. He also won 6 in a row as a the star player. Lebron has already played in 13 seasons and has won 3 rings but that isnt enough. Number of points scored and other stats are kind of hard to compare since the NBA is so different. Jordan would have scored at will and many more points if he played with todays hand check rules, the way it is officiated and the far less physical contact in the game and paint. I dont think he can hold up too much longer since so much of his game is built on being an elite athlete. Lebron needs to win 2 more in a row for me to start listening and thinking its a decent argument for him to be a GOAT. Personally I think Lebron should think about moving to the PF spot for the rest of his career and working a lot on his shot and it being consistent. He could extend his career quite a bit as an elite stretch 4. He could be a rich mans Draymond.
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He could be a rich man's Draymond? I bet he's thinking to himself right now, if I could just be a rich man's Draymond, I will have made it. Dude is already a Bill Gates man's Draymond and will be for 3+ more years.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
For me, in the LBJ/MJ discussion, it comes down to the fact that MJ was the best offensive and the best defensive player I've ever seen. So until I see somebody better on offense or defense, that won't change.

Having said that, Lebron in 2015 became the first player in NBA history to lead both finals teams in Pts, Reb, Asts, Rebs. All he did for an encore was follow that up in 2016 by duplicating that feat and adding blocks and steals.

So while I can't say he's the best, he's definitely the most complete and versatile player ever to pay the game. Besides the stats above, he can guard 1 thru 5, something MJ couldn't do.
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It's also worth noting that not only was this the first time someone led both Finals teams in the five major stats, it's the first time someone has led in all five stats in ANY playoff series.

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seattlejazzfan said:
He could be a rich man's Draymond? I bet he's thinking to himself right now, if I could just be a rich man's Draymond, I will have made it. Dude is already a Bill Gates man's Draymond and will be for 3+ more years.
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I obviously meant playing in that role. LeBron is much better than green but has been playing a different role.
 
This was honestly one of the greatest stories in basketball history. What a pleasure to witness.

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Good Morning from Bangkok... a glorious morning here today, made better by the fact that GSW just lost in the Finals!!!!!!


Life couldn't be any better.
 
The Thriller said:
I thought green was amazing. They should've kept going into him.
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I'm not so sure about that. Green is a great player, but it's not like you can put the ball in his hands and ask him to create. He had a great game, but to hit those threes they need him to get (reasonably) open.
 
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