2020 Presidential election

[JazzyFresh]

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This graph might be helpful. When people claim we can’t afford Medicare for all, they clearly don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. Canada has m4a and they spend a fraction that we do. M4A actually cuts health care spending overall because you’re streamlining the system. No longer are health care providers needing to employ armies of accountants and underwriters to figure out multiple health insurances. All providers do is report the costs to one insurance plan, Medicare.

Facts can be inconvenient for people who merely parrot republican disinformation and don’t understand health care systems. Take it from me, it was one of my top choices when thinking about going for a masters in public health admin. M4A works!

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Just Republicans?! This guy is leading the Democratic race.

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign is slamming Democratic rival Elizabeth Warren’s plan to pay for “Medicare for All” — accusing the Massachusetts senator of misleading voters on its costs.

Warren released her proposal to fund the government-run health care system Friday morning, saying she would do so “without raising taxes one penny on middle class families” — attempting to answer a the question of how she’d pay for Medicare for All that’s dogged her for months on the campaign trail and in debates.

Biden Deputy Campaign Manager Kate Bedingfield was quick to hit back at Warren’s plan, saying, “For months, Elizabeth Warren has refused to say if her health care plan would raise taxes on the middle class, and now we know why: because it does. Senator Warren would place a new tax of nearly $9 trillion that will fall on American workers.”

 

[JazzyFresh]

Independent estimates have predicted that 2 million people would lose their jobs as the private health insurance industry collapses and providers need fewer people to manage billing, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Democrats love the homeless. Hell look at their cities. Why not take one tenth of that 20+ trillion and get these people help?

 

[Zombie]

We spend 3.2 trillion a year right now. 10 years that 32 trillion, lets add 20 trillion(completely bogus amount) in inflation and make in 52 trillion. Warrens plan will pay that 32 trillion plus 24-34 trillion more in 10 years according to her own admission. Right now that is 52 trillion. So how the flying fudge is that paying less? How in world is adding 20 whatever trillion on top of the 32 trillion paying less? You... can't... make... this... stuff... up... lol

Canada also has 296,000,000 less people.

Canadians also reported the longest wait times for specialists, with 56 per cent waiting longer than four weeks to see a specialist, compared with the international average of 36 per cent.



Why is that you may ask?

Not enough doctors. Why not just buy more?

VANCOUVER — You’d think the average Canadian family spends more on household expenses such as housing, food and clothing combined, but it’s actually taxes, finds a new study by the Fraser Institute.

The think-tank’s Canadian Consumer Tax Index, which tracks the total tax bill of the average Canadian family from 1961 to 2015, reveals the average family (including singles) earned $80,593 and paid $34,154 in total taxes last year, compared to $30,293 on housing (rent and own), food and clothing combined.

That’s 42.4% of income going to taxes and 37.6% going to basic necessities.

https://www.plant.ca/economy/161193-161193/

Basic economics.

Basic economics maybe, but piss poor math. This is the third time you've added the total amount we pay publicly and privately on Healthcare and added to it the amount that the federal budget would need to increase to fund Medicare for all.

That's. Not. How. It. Works.

Again, and I'll try to use small words do you can finally grasp this concept, under Warren's plan private spending on Healthcare goes to zero. The premiums you, me and our employers pay goes away. The out of pocket costs for prescriptions and care goes away.

You following me yet?

If you want to know how to add this up correctly take the amount the federal government is currently paying for care, subtract the savings switching to a Medicare for all plan entails, and add to that figure the 20 Trillion needed to fund healthcare in America. That's how Warren's plan is paid for.

 

[Zombie]

Just Republicans?! This guy is leading the Democratic race.

Joe Biden’s presidential campaign is slamming Democratic rival Elizabeth Warren’s plan to pay for “Medicare for All” — accusing the Massachusetts senator of misleading voters on its costs.

Warren released her proposal to fund the government-run health care system Friday morning, saying she would do so “without raising taxes one penny on middle class families” — attempting to answer a the question of how she’d pay for Medicare for All that’s dogged her for months on the campaign trail and in debates.

Biden Deputy Campaign Manager Kate Bedingfield was quick to hit back at Warren’s plan, saying, “For months, Elizabeth Warren has refused to say if her health care plan would raise taxes on the middle class, and now we know why: because it does. Senator Warren would place a new tax of nearly $9 trillion that will fall on American workers.”

He didn't say "Just Republicans" there are plenty of neoliberals among the Democrats who have this wrong as well.

 

[fishonjazz]

Jesus christ. Imagine thinking your suffering of being a multimillionaire with the levels of control over the government compares to dying for your country. Then imagine putting that in a book for everyone to read.

It's staggering that anyone takes these clowns seriously.

This.
Idiots


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[JazzyFresh]

He didn't say "Just Republicans" there are plenty of neoliberals among the Democrats who have this wrong as well.

Lol Biden is a neo-liberal? Lol this shows exactly that the Democratic party is in absolute chaos. A neo-Liberal, a Socialist, and a Pillager of Indians leads the party. Anyways I'll take economist over your opinions any day. We already know she's talking to a wall and none of this will pass. She's about to get torn apart.

Bernie Sanders ramps up criticism of Elizabeth Warren's Medicare for All plan, calling it 'quite a hit' for average workers

"When you're putting what amounts to a $9,500 'head tax' on a company that is hiring workers for $40,000 or $50,000 dollars, that's quite a hit. Quite a hit," Sanders said, referring to a uniform tax that would charge employers the same amount for each employee to fund Medicare for All.

Lol Sanders is now a Neo Liberal Socialist Democrat. Dude a terrible economist but even he understands.

 

[JazzyFresh]

As Matt Bruenig of the People’s Policy Project has explained, Warren’s Medicare fee is basically a “head tax,” meaning that companies pay the same amount for each worker. Starbucks would send Washington $19,600 for its barista and $19,600 for its CEO. What this means is that low-wage workers see a much, much larger share of their potential compensation devoured by health care costs than high earners. It also warps the job market by making low-wage labor relatively more expensive for companies to hire, which makes it harder for some people to find work. With a health care head tax, you’re basically doubling the cost of hiring a dishwasher.

That’s not just me talking by the way; the Berkeley economists Gabriel Zucman and Emmanuel Saez, who have advised Warren on her wealth tax proposals, said the same in their recent book. “No government would out of the blue impose a poll tax to fund health care; it would be a crushing burden on moderate income families,” they write. (A “poll tax” is their very euro term for a head tax.)

#neoliberals
#loltheyhelpedwiththeplam

 

[Zombie]

Lol Biden is a neo-liberal? Lol this shows exactly that the Democratic party is in absolute chaos. A neo-Liberal, a Socialist, and a Pillager of Indians leads the party. Anyways I'll take economist over your opinions any day. We already know she's talking to a wall and none of this will pass. She's about to get torn apart.

Bernie Sanders ramps up criticism of Elizabeth Warren's Medicare for All plan, calling it 'quite a hit' for average workers

"When you're putting what amounts to a $9,500 'head tax' on a company that is hiring workers for $40,000 or $50,000 dollars, that's quite a hit. Quite a hit," Sanders said, referring to a uniform tax that would charge employers the same amount for each employee to fund Medicare for All.

Lol Sanders is now a Neo Liberal Socialist Democrat. Dude a terrible economist but even he understands.

So quick question... do you know what neoliberalism is?

 

[Zombie]

As Matt Bruenig of the People’s Policy Project has explained, Warren’s Medicare fee is basically a “head tax,” meaning that companies pay the same amount for each worker. Starbucks would send Washington $19,600 for its barista and $19,600 for its CEO. What this means is that low-wage workers see a much, much larger share of their potential compensation devoured by health care costs than high earners. It also warps the job market by making low-wage labor relatively more expensive for companies to hire, which makes it harder for some people to find work. With a health care head tax, you’re basically doubling the cost of hiring a dishwasher.

That’s not just me talking by the way; the Berkeley economists Gabriel Zucman and Emmanuel Saez, who have advised Warren on her wealth tax proposals, said the same in their recent book. “No government would out of the blue impose a poll tax to fund health care; it would be a crushing burden on moderate income families,” they write. (A “poll tax” is their very euro term for a head tax.)

#neoliberals
#loltheyhelpedwiththeplam

Lol, I see you've moved the argument to new ground.

 

[JazzyFresh]

So quick question... do you know what neoliberalism is?

Yes it Bernie Sanders a self proclaimed socialist. That's what you're telling me. Its anybody that doesn't agree with Warren. Your words not mine.

"there are plenty of neoliberals among the Democrats who have this wrong as well."

 

[JazzyFresh]

Lol, I see you've moved the argument to new ground.

That's it's not affordable and a terrible plan? Uh no I've been on this ground for a while now lol.

 

[Zombie]

That's it's not affordable and a terrible plan? Uh no I've been on this ground for a while now lol.

Lol, give me a break man. Warren's math works, whether or not you agree with the socialists over at Jacobin that a payroll tax is superior to a head tax (as I do), Warren's proposal accounts for her increased costs.

We weren't arguing if Warren's plan was the best way to fund M4A, you seemed to think it was entirely unworkable. If you want to pretend to believe the leftist critiques of her plans, that's fine, and you'll get little disagreement from me.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Lol, give me a break man. Warren's math works, whether or not you agree with the socialists over at Jacobin that a payroll tax is superior to a head tax (as I do), Warren's proposal accounts for her increased costs.

We weren't arguing if Warren's plan was the best way to fund M4A, you seemed to think it was entirely unworkable. If you want to pretend to believe the leftist critiques of her plans, that's fine, and you'll get little disagreement from me.

No it doesn't.

But I agree with Biden that said Warren is lying and this is not feasible without taxing the living hell out of the average Joes and you say there's little disagreement so ive been right this entire time. As usual.

Thanks.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Lol, give me a break man. Warren's math works, whether or not you agree with the socialists over at Jacobin that a payroll tax is superior to a head tax (as I do), Warren's proposal accounts for her increased costs.

We weren't arguing if Warren's plan was the best way to fund M4A, you seemed to think it was entirely unworkable. If you want to pretend to believe the leftist critiques of her plans, that's fine, and you'll get little disagreement from me.

Btw what? This has been my argument the entire time. I've said all along give me a plan that makes sense. Warren's does not. That is what we are arguing.

You mistake me saying Warren's plan is terrible as me saying I'm completely against something that makes sense. You guys just want whatever without logically questioning a single thing just to feel special.

 

[Zombie]

Btw what? This has been my argument the entire time. I've said all along give me a plan that makes sense. Warren's does not. That is what we are arguing.

You mistake me saying Warren's an is terrible as saying I'm completely against something that makes sense. You guys just want whatever just to feel special.

Lol, the genesis of this conversation was you pretending Warren's plan would cost twice what it actually would, while claiming the numbers to pay for her plan don't exist.

I proved to you that her proposal would in fact raise the money to finance it.

Whether the methods she uses in her plan are too regressive and budernsome for workers is an entirely different conversation, and one you are making in obvious bad faith.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Lol, the genesis of this conversation was you pretending Warren's plan would cost twice what it actually would, while claiming the numbers to pay for her plan don't exist.

I proved to you that her proposal would in fact raise the money to finance it.

Whether the methods she uses in her plan are too regressive and budernsome for workers is an entirely different conversation, and one you are making in obvious bad faith.

Not for me. That's where I've been coming from since day one. By saying we can't afford it that's what I mean. You finally gave me the numbers (thanks) and now I'm saying it's "burdensome" meaning it's going to take heavy toll. I can afford a nice BMW but can I really afford it?

 

[Zombie]

Not for me. That's where I've been coming from since day one. By saying we can't afford it that's what I mean. You finally gave me the numbers (thanks) and now I'm saying it's "burdensome" meaning it's going to take heavy toll. I can afford a nice BMW but can I really afford it?

You've been coming from Warren's plan isn't socialist enough and puts undue burden on workers this whole time? Really?

FOH.

 

[silesian]

Does anyone else find it ironic that one party accuses the other on being communist, while their leader pines to sit by Putin’s side during Russia's May Day parade? https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...may day parade russia&hl=en-us&source=sh/x/im

 

[JazzyFresh]

You've been coming from Warren's plan isn't socialist enough and puts undue burden on workers this whole time? Really?

FOH.

No I'm coming from her plan puts a burden on us. 20T doesn't just come out of thin air. There will be consequences. There will be wait times, people will lose jobs(2 million by Warren's admission that's just in hospitals not insurance companies(I brought this up more than once)), middle class WILL be taxed(I've quoted I agree with Biden, Bernie), business may move like they already are out of NY and Ca because of crazy taxes. Businesses will pay a **** load more in taxes, where do they make that up? Inflation.

These are all concerns I have brought fourth.

 

[silesian]

Not for me. That's where I've been coming from since day one. By saying we can't afford it that's what I mean. You finally gave me the numbers (thanks) and now I'm saying it's "burdensome" meaning it's going to take heavy toll. I can afford a nice BMW but can I really afford it?

Our military is a Lamborghini on steroids and can we really afford it?

I thought that trump was going to reduce all these foreign entanglements stop policing the world and bring our boys home. Three years in and no evidence this has even started.

Classic guns or butter, baby.