2023 NBA Draft Megathread

[Saint Cy of JFC]

size for his position, athleticism, strength and shooting. and he's a plus defender.

Are we pretending he's a PG?

He's an averaged sized combo guard with average NBA athleticism. He's going to have a very lackluster wingspan measurement, 6'6 tops. He shot 70% from the FT line and his 3pt % while good is on very low volume.

The best thing I can say about Bailey is that he played his role and found a positive fit on a great UCLA team (sadly decimated by injuries, could have been a Champion). I think he does have a future shot in the NBA when he wants one, but no way should he come out now. He needs to become a much better shooter and get more reps as a lead handler/playmaker. I dont think he would have much success if he came out now. He has a rich mother and I'm sure he can rake in NIL money at UCLA. No reason to come out when he's going to have the reigns at UCLA next season to really prove himself.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Are we pretending he's a PG?

He's an averaged sized combo guard with average NBA athleticism. He's going to have a very lackluster wingspan measurement, 6'6 tops. He shot 70% from the FT line and his 3pt % while good is on very low volume.

The best thing I can say about Bailey is that he played his role and found a positive fit on a great UCLA team (sadly decimated by injuries, could have been a Champion). I think he does have a future shot in the NBA when he wants one, but no way should he come out now. He needs to become a much better shooter and get more reps as a lead handler/playmaker. I dont think he would have much success if he came out now. He has a rich mother and I'm sure he can rake in NIL money at UCLA. No reason to come out when he's going to have the reigns at UCLA next season to really prove himself.

he's absolutely a PG - has always been a PG until he had to defer to the upperclassman when he got to ucla. but yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him go back to school. very underrated right now - he goes back, he could get into the mid-first round where right now he's not going to sniff the first round.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

i was looking at the wrong number when i cited 28% from three. but he can't shoot. he shot 30% from three the previous season and only shot 38% from the field this year. he's not an nba level shooter.

Yeah, I heavily disagree.

FT% is the main indicator of shooting, especially when you're elite at it. Look at Austin Reaves. Sometimes these guys are relied upon so much at the college level they can't shoot it as efficiently as they are capable of. Again, dont think he's a NBA player due to size, but whatever pro league he ends up in, he's going to shoot the **** out of the ball because he's a very good shooter.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

he's absolutely a PG - has always been a PG until he had to defer to the upperclassman when he got to ucla.

Crazy, PG who averages more turnovers than assist. Maybe he can develop into one, but if he comes out now there is 0% chance of that ever materializing.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Crazy, PG who averages more turnovers than assist. Maybe he can develop into one, but if he comes out now there is 0% chance of that ever materializing.

lol. don't be dumb. i acknowledged he hasn't played pg this season.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

lol. don't be dumb. i acknowledged he hasn't played pg this season.

Well then you think he can develop into one. He currently isnt one and going up a competition level isnt really going to do wonders for him in that regard. Right now he's just a mid-range scorer w/ lackluster measurables/athleticism and solid IQ/intagibles

If he came out I would advocate for taking him in the 40's range of the 2nd round. Riley Kugel, another combo guard prospect who will likely return, is a much much better pro prospect IMO.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Curious about the possibility of trading into #2 or #3 this year by trading three or four dimes for a quarter. Jazz have a bunch - perhaps an excess - of nice, useful pieces/assets to mix n match: Clarkson SnT, THT?, Dunn?, Sexton, … and don’t crucify me here: Kessler. Plus the ability to absorb salary and obviously having multiple picks this year.

Washington or Portland might be marks for this type of thing.

 

[oldtimer]

Curious about the possibility of trading into #2 or #3 this year by trading three or four dimes for a quarter. Jazz have a bunch - perhaps an excess - of nice, useful pieces/assets to mix n match: Clarkson SnT, THT?, Dunn?, Sexton, … and don’t crucify me here: Kessler. Plus the ability to absorb salary and obviously having multiple picks this year.

Washington or Portland might be marks for this type of thing.

Go die in a hole. KESSLER. Just go be a lakers fan.

 

[KqWIN]

Amari Bailey was a PG all of high school. Is he a PG that’s going to carry an offense? No, which is why I compared him more to Delon and Caruso. But he absolutely has PG skills/tendencies. He played with a senior PG all a senior PG all year and that is why he didn’t play PG, not his skill level.

The idea that he’s just a mid range scorer….well that’s factually not correct. I don’t even know how to argue that besides that we have facts and the facts do not support that at all. If you were talking about JHS, absolutely, we have numbers for this.

He’s also a really strong defender and athlete. I don’t think anyone really contests this except for Saint. And bringing up the AST/TO ratio (which is somewhat fair) is pretty rich considering the prospect he brought up. If you’re going to hold it against one guy, keep the same energy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Curious about the possibility of trading into #2 or #3 this year by trading three or four dimes for a quarter. Jazz have a bunch - perhaps an excess - of nice, useful pieces/assets to mix n match: Clarkson SnT, THT?, Dunn?, Sexton, … and don’t crucify me here: Kessler. Plus the ability to absorb salary and obviously having multiple picks this year.

Washington or Portland might be marks for this type of thing.

There is maybe a chance... but I think it would be multiple firsts not players... I don't think Kessler would be on the table though. Some of the other players may hold a little value in that type of deal... but moving from say 10 to 2 or 3 would require premium assets not side pieces. I would guess #10 plus like at least 3 future firsts of the unprotected variety... I think that would be the low end of the spectrum.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Curious about the possibility of trading into #2 or #3 this year by trading three or four dimes for a quarter. Jazz have a bunch - perhaps an excess - of nice, useful pieces/assets to mix n match: Clarkson SnT, THT?, Dunn?, Sexton, … and don’t crucify me here: Kessler. Plus the ability to absorb salary and obviously having multiple picks this year.

Washington or Portland might be marks for this type of thing.

In retro do you think ATL would still have done that deal to get Trae since all it got them besides that was Reddish? It never works out for the team that trades down from that high, unless they KNOW the team they are trading with wants to move up for a guy you didn't want AKA Fultz Tatum.
we would have to be at 4 to get 2 and if we move up to 4 from outside the lottery I am changin my name to **** head

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Amari Bailey was a PG all of high school. Is he a PG that’s going to carry an offense? No, which is why I compared him more to Delon and Caruso. But he absolutely has PG skills/tendencies. He played with a senior PG all a senior PG all year and that is why he didn’t play PG, not his skill level.

The idea that he’s just a mid range scorer….well that’s factually not correct. I don’t even know how to argue that besides that we have facts and the facts do not support that at all. If you were talking about JHS, absolutely, we have numbers for this.

He’s also a really strong defender and athlete. I don’t think anyone really contests this except for Saint. And bringing up the AST/TO ratio (which is somewhat fair) is pretty rich considering the prospect he brought up. If you’re going to hold it against one guy, keep the same energy.

There's 3 people talking about Bailey on here lmfao. He's a combo guard. He's an OK college defender. He's not going to be a defender at the NBA level due to his mediocre size. He has no standout skills that differentiate him from the multitude of 6'3 combo guards out there.

I'm not calling Riley Kugel a PG buddy. And I'm not basing Kuglel > Bailey off of stats. It's just clear from the eye test.