2023 NBA Draft Megathread

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is maybe a chance... but I think it would be multiple firsts not players... I don't think Kessler would be on the table though. Some of the other players may hold a little value in that type of deal... but moving from say 10 to 2 or 3 would require premium assets not side pieces. I would guess #10 plus like at least 3 future firsts of the unprotected variety... I think that would be the low end of the spectrum.

I'd consider trading the entirety of the Wolves picks to get Scoot.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cade Tyson from Belmont is a name to keep an eye on in the future. Freshman at Belmont who posted some high level shooting numbers: 42% from 3 and 86% from the line. Older brother is one of the better players at Clemson. Was underrecruited due to a late growth spurt.

 

[KqWIN]

There's 3 people talking about Bailey on here lmfao. He's a combo guard. He's an OK college defender. He's not going to be a defender at the NBA level due to his mediocre size. He has no standout skills that differentiate him from the multitude of 6'3 combo guards out there.

I'm not calling Riley Kugel a PG buddy. And I'm not basing Kuglel > Bailey off of stats. It's just clear from the eye test.

Why do you keep shrinking Amari Bailey, and why is fair to criticize numbers for one player but not the other? Like, you can't just go I like the eye test for this guy but I don't like this guy because of his numbers even though they are better than the guy I like. And why did you make up that he's mainly a mid range scorer? Again, that is fact. Are you thinking of a different player? Because it is a fact that it isn't true. You don't have to like every prospect, but I find it odd you don't like a prospect based on a figment of your imagination. If you don't think it's a figment of your imagination, prove it. Let me guess, you're going to pull the "no argument needed" again. Mid range scorer with lackluster measurables AND athleticism....sure.

The way I would describe Amari Bailey's position is....what have they done to separate themselves from him? Not much and Bailey is clearly ahead of many of the other guards in certain areas.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5H83q5Y0NY


Think this dude has a chance at being a big time sophomore next season.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why do you keep shrinking Amari Bailey, and why is fair to criticize numbers for one player but not the other? Like, you can't just go I like the eye test for this guy but I don't like this guy because of his numbers even though they are better than the guy I like. And why did you make up that he's mainly a mid range scorer? Again, that is fact. Are you thinking of a different player? Because it is a fact that it isn't true. You don't have to like every prospect, but I find it odd you don't like a prospect based on a figment of your imagination. If you don't think it's a figment of your imagination, prove it. Let me guess, you're going to pull the "no argument needed" again. Mid range scorer with lackluster measurables AND athleticism....sure.

The way I would describe Amari Bailey's position is....what have they done to separate themselves from him? Not much and Bailey is clearly ahead of many of the other guards in certain areas.

1. Because I'm not calling Kugel a PG. Therefore his A:TO ratio isnt as big of a deal. This is just common sense.
2. Why can't I use the eye test? In case you havent noticed, college basketball does not translate to the NBA based on numbers. If it was that easy, no one would miss in the draft and draft order would closely reflect the order of best to worst players. My eye test says he has no clear standout NBA qualities. I think his ceiling is likely decent bench scorer.
3. He's mostly a mid-range scorer. I'm not saying that is all he can do. He finishes well around the rim, but his comfort area is the mid-range pull-up. https://247sports.com/Article/colle...-amari-bailey-film-analytics-study-205570790/

But, the numbers aren’t particularly good. While over a third of Bailey’s total field goal attempts come on two-point jumpers per Hoop-Math.com, he’s making just 34.8% of those shots. Synergy Sports Technology allows us to break those numbers down even more – on catch-and-shoot attempts, Bailey is shooting 52.4% when he’s unguarded (which ranks in the 87th percentile – excellent), but is making only 22% of his contested catch-and-shoot shots (which ranks in the 10th percentile – poor). Off the dribble, he’s converting 36.8% of his total jump shots.

If taking a third of your total shots as mid-range jumpers doesnt make you a mid-range player, idk what does.

Further there is this

The most concerning numbers are when he is playing out of ball-screens. Between his own scoring and assists, he’s averaging 0.78 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler, per Synergy. That places him in the 31st percentile, not of guards, but of all players.

So he's a NBA PG who sucks *** as a PNR ball-handler? OK.

If your take is Bailey is an interesting player for next year and a guy to keep an eye on, I agree. If your take is that he's worthy of a 1st round pick this year, I disagree whole heartedly.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

View: https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1631484083040845824


Klintman gives me strong Kuzma vibes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd consider trading the entirety of the Wolves picks to get Scoot.

That is the type of offer it would take... but you'd also have to have a willing seller... if you are trying to bowl them over it will be more than that.

 

[KqWIN]

1. Because I'm not calling Kugel a PG. Therefore his A:TO ratio isnt as big of a deal. This is just common sense.
2. Why can't I use the eye test? In case you havent noticed, college basketball does not translate to the NBA based on numbers. If it was that easy, no one would miss in the draft and draft order would closely reflect the order of best to worst players.
3. He's mostly a mid-range scorer. I'm not saying that is all he can do. He finishes well around the rim, but his comfort area is the mid-range pull-up. https://247sports.com/Article/colle...-amari-bailey-film-analytics-study-205570790/

If taking a third of your total shots as mid-range jumpers doesnt make you a mid-range player, idk what does.

Further there is this

So he's a NBA PG who sucks *** as a PNR ball-handler? OK.

If your take is Bailey is an interesting player for next year and a guy to keep an eye on, I agree. If your take is that he's worthy of a 1st round pick this year, I disagree whole heartedly.

You can use eye test, just don't be an eye test guy when it suits you and a stats guy when it doesn't suit you. If you're calling Kugel a combo, guess what they are both undersized as well.

The article you linked literally lists his strengths, and all 3 of them were related to getting to the basket. His mid range game was considered a weakness. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't call someone a mid range scorer when it's a weakness and all of their biggest strengths are related to being around the basket. His mid range game is a work in progress. By far his best offensive trait is his slashing. It's obvious on film, it's obvious in the numbers, it's obvious from reading the article you linked. His comfort area is the rim, where he attempts 44% of his shots. So no, he is not mostly a mid range scorer. This is 100% factually incorrect. He has scored double the amount of points at the rim as he has in the mid range, and a lot of these "mid range" buckets are floaters anyways. At minimum, if you're going to call someone a mid range scorer it would at least be a strength or defining aspect of his game. If you're going going to call someone "mostly" a mid rage scorer, than they would have to mostly be a mid range scorer which is objectlivey false with Amari Bailey.

And please do not backpedal on this. If you're going to call Bailey a 6'3, mid range scorer, who is a lackluster athlete, and average defender say it with your chest. Don't go "well he does shoot some mid range jumpers and therefore I am not wrong about him being a mid range player" while also being so adamant that he can't be a PG. The main parts of his game are quite obvious. Defense, mentality/competitiveness, and athleticism/slashing on offense. I don't know why you would choose to call him a mid range scorer, when that is a weakness not a strength, and then go on to shrink his size and also call him a lackluster athlete and average defender. It's like you have it backwards. His mid range scoring is the issue, his athleticism and defense is how he shines the most. Read your own article.

My take is that he shouldn't be 30+ spots ranked lower than the other guards in this draft. I think Bufkin and Bailey are both better investments at the end of the first than JHS at the end of the lottery for example. The article actually gives a pretty good breakdown of why I like him. His defense and competitiveness stand out and as the article states this is "widely known". No one besides you contests this, which is fine, but I hope it's not on the basis of shrinking him and making up what type of player he is. His open court speed is fantastic as well as his athleticism and dexterity to finish around the basket. I think he has all the tools to be a great connector and defensive player in the NBA. His PnR play will never be his bread and butter and he won't be a PG who drives the offense in a large way. This limits his ceiling, but he's still very much worth consideration of UTA's last pick.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

That is the type of offer it would take... but you'd also have to have a willing seller... if you are trying to bowl them over it will be more than that.

There might be a team that would take one of the Thompsons, or Walker, or Miller ahead of Scoot based on positional need. So if the trade package included a high pick in this draft to get one of these other players it would be a discussion.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

If people sour on Scoot and it becomes a situation like when Luka fell to three, we should definitely have some kind of huge offer ready to go.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There might be a team that would take one of the Thompsons, or Walker, or Miller ahead of Scoot based on positional need. So if the trade package included a high pick in this draft to get one of these other players it would be a discussion.

Yeah it might need to be some sort of three team deal where we send 10 and stuff for 4 and the team at #2 gets 4 and stuff. Even then I think the team at #4 would be looking to parlay draft "stuff" into established players.

I think there are too many opportunities for someone to say "no" in that type of deal. We should just win the lottery instead... or the second pick... or the third... cuz the odds of us swinging a deal are less than the odds we will have to win a top 4 pick.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think we might find an opportunity to trade into the 4-6 range based on how some teams may view the draft... I think that might be a solid value play and getting a Thompson twin or Cam Whitmore might be worth it (assuming we land (11-14). Positionally and roster planning with those prospects gets a little easier... think Whitmore and Ausar are true SFs and Amen is a wing sized pg... so run him at point or on the wing. Jarace is nice but I think he's a four that will be a bit of a clunky fit next to Walker and Lauri... If we opted to stay in the 11-14 range and picked one of Cason, Black, Hendo I'd get it and be happy.