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2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

Well none of the teams left are constructed like that.

OKC has Hartenstein, MIN has Gobert, NYK has Robinson and all those 3 are main rotation guys averaging over 23 minutes. Even Indy has played multiple guys on their rotation that cant really shoot (Bryant and Bradley... and to lesser extent McConnell who no one guards on the perimeter).

Also NYK is VASTLY better when Robinson is on the court vs when he is off... so their "5 shooter" starting lineup is actually worse than their lineups with a non-shooting center.
Though Hartenstein cant shoot, he isn't a liability on offense. He is amazing with his floater. I think he is different than players like gobert and robinson fwiw.
 
Knicks play too much ISO and while Brunson is so so good in the paint and in traffic, he rarely seems to throw the opposing defense into chaos or have that extra gear to push tempo. The Pacers move so much better on offense then the knicks do as well. Coaching component IMO to the differences as well. Love the pacers constant screen game on offense and pressure on defense. Even with their smaller size they just wear teams down. Good model to follow
 
Haliburton and Mitchell are on the same level.
To piggyback off this a little bit, the all nba 1st, 2nd and 3rd teams were recently announced.
Mitchell on the 1st team and haliburton on the 3rd team fwiw.

I think they are on the same level as well and if anyone is above the other then I think Mitchell would be on top. I know that take is probably an unpopular one on a jazz fanz site (for a reason I dont really understand jazz fans seem to dislike donovan) and the timing is poor as haliburton looks to be headed to the finals.
 
Shai had the Donovan Mitchell-type 8-second violation at the end of the first. OKC fans were perplexed, but the game made the issue moot by the end.
 
He’s also a pretty good rebounder and finisher. Hes got some bounce. And with Chet, it’s not like he’s messing up their spacing. Gobert and Mitchell Robinson right now are far greater liabilities.
Lol. Hartenstein has by far the worst net rating of those 3 despite his team having far superior rating.

For instance Robinson is +8.6 in a team thats -0.4 while Hartenstein is +5.4 in a team thats +10.6.
 
Lol. Hartenstein has by far the worst net rating of those 3 despite his team having far superior rating.

For instance Robinson is +8.6 in a team thats -0.4 while Hartenstein is +5.4 in a team thats +10.6.
I don’t think that proves what you think it does. A lot of factors go into +- . Robinson and Gobert are also better rebounders and defenders. The opponents they’ve played are different. OKC just escaped a grueling 7 game series with arguably the 2nd best team In the playoffs (likely the only team in the playoffs that made the Thunder sweat). So what are we arguing? Are we arguing that Harkenstein has a better offensive game than Robinson or Gobert? Because I think the answer is clearly yes and he’s less of an offensive liability than Gobert and Robinson who have zero range outside of a dunk/tip in. Although, their dunk/tip in ability might improve their overall +- especially against crap teams (lakers for example).
 
I don’t think that proves what you think it does. A lot of factors go into +- . Robinson and Gobert are also better rebounders and defenders. The opponents they’ve played are different. OKC just escaped a grueling 7 game series with arguably the 2nd best team In the playoffs (likely the only team in the playoffs that made the Thunder sweat). So what are we arguing? Are we arguing that Harkenstein has a better offensive game than Robinson or Gobert? Because I think the answer is clearly yes and he’s less of an offensive liability than Gobert and Robinson who have zero range outside of a dunk/tip in. Although, their dunk/tip in ability might improve their overall +- especially against crap teams (lakers for example).
No you are arguing that Robinson is a worse offensive liability based on your pedestrian common sense logic revolving around their scoring skills, yet Robinsons personal offensive rating is BETTER than both his teams or Hartensteins.

Also for the full season he is less of a negative than Hartenstein in on/off, despite often subbing with KAT who is a great offensive player.

Have you ever paustd to wonder why coaches try to drive him off the court? You think his mediocre rim protection or slow feet defensively have something to do with it?

I can give you a hint: R____________.
 
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