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Ben10 said:
Matthew's offer sheet was for the full mid level (around $5.5 million) for 5 years with a huge payout up front. Raja is getting $3 million for 3 years. Thats a lot of money IMO. esp since the huge hit up front would have been doubled because of the tax. Wes is a great player and I really like him. But I still don't think he is worth the contract he got.
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Wes is averaging about 16 PPG in 33.6 MPG on .449 FG% and .407% from 3 with 1.2 steals. He's a legitimate starter in this league. I think Utah would be thrilled to have a starting 2 guard with those numbers at that price. Utah passed on him last year assuming he'd be a backup.

As far as the huge payout up front, you do have a point. I think it was an extra 5 million(can't find it). Utah had no way to see into the future, and financial concerns were huge. I still support the decision based on the circumstances at the time, but with what we know now, matching Wes and sacrificing somewhere else would have been a good option IMO.


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Utah never assumed he was a back up. The Matthews deal was also front end loaded so the luxury tax hit was more than double what they gave Raja. Still wish he was here but no way was he viewed as anything but a starter.
 
freakazoid said:
Wes is averaging about 16 PPG in 33.6 MPG on .449 FG% and .407% from 3 with 1.2 steals. He's a legitimate starter in this league. I think Utah would be thrilled to have a starting 2 guard with those numbers at that price. but with what we know now, matching Wes and sacrificing somewhere else would have been a good option IMO.


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Yeah and we could have drafted Jefferson and Josh Smith to. Hindsight is exactly that, already gone. At the time almost every GM in the league thought that offer sheet to Wes was ridiculous. And I agreed with them.
If you had the same choice right now after you know how it turns out I would sign Wes to the contract in a second. But we didn't know that then.
 
gomretat said:
Utah never assumed he was a back up. Still wish he was here but no way was he viewed as anything but a starter.
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Right. That contract was absolutely ridiculous for a starter at the 2.

Pg = 14 million

SF = 17 million

C = 13 million

PF = 6.7 Million

Yeah, I guess it's pretty silly to assume Utah thought 5.7 million was too much for a starter. My bad.
 
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Ben10 said:
Yeah and we could have drafted Jefferson and Josh Smith to. Hindsight is exactly that, already gone. At the time almost every GM in the league thought that offer sheet to Wes was ridiculous. And I agreed with them.
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Duh. You mean every GM except Rich Cho.

Ben10 said:
I still don't think he is worth the contract he got.)
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Put out or get out.
 
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twentytwo said:
Final PER.

Jefferson 20.20 - 82 games played
Millsap 19.83 - 76 games played
Bozo 18.90 - 59 games played

One more time, just for emphasis.
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After Deron was dealt Jefferson became the main man. PER means nothing for comparisons sake. It's just like LeBron, without looking, I would assume this his PER was down this season from his previous MVP season, because he had to share the load with other superstars. Boozer was never the main man on Chicago.

Craig K. Manscill said:
Did you happen to notice that the Jazz completely revamped their team mid-season? Thus making your comparison and "victory" meaningless?
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That was kind of my argument all season, that you can't base this comparison on the record. I'm just doing what Vinyfool and his gang of clowns were doing to me at the start of the season. I guess you have trouble comprehending stuff.

Chad Feldheimer said:
You really think Boozer would have made that much of a difference this year over Jefferson?

Boozer would have led the way after Sloan resigns, DWill is traded for a rookie, draft picks & a PG(who missed a lot of games with the Jazz), and all the injuries?
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Doubt any of that happens if we had Boozer.
 
Sloanfeld said:
Doubt any of that happens if we had Boozer.
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You may be right, but then again we would have had to spend yet another season looking at that self-absorbed, overly manscaped, injury nursing pansy. And if you're right, by your own admission we would have enjoyed several more years as a mediocre team. Thanks to the blow up that your boy would have somehow prevented, Utah has a very exciting future. I'm sure you'll be sticking around for the next five years to remind us step by step how much we ought to miss Loozer, but it's pretty clear that most fans are happy he's gone.
 
Sloanfeld said:
You can't determine how many games Boozer would have played had he been on the Jazz. This argument is so weak.
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Yeah LogGrad! What makes you think that just because Boozer didn't show up to play for Chicago on a lot of the nights that he wouldn't have shown up to play for Utah? History shows that while he was on our team he always laced 'em up if he could find a way... errr. Never mind.

And besides, do you think he would have tripped over that bag in Chicago if he'd been here in Salt Lake? What a silly argument. That was just a bizarre and unfortunate incident and by no means further evidence of a long and established pattern. Sheesh.
 
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