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6 reasons why Memo will impact Jazz in 2011-2012?

Okur and Boozer were much better rebounders than Jefferson and Millsap. David Locke wrote an excellent piece on "What would have happened if Memo never got hurt?" (Would Sloan have retired and DWill left?)

I get sad when I think about it. What if Jefferson and Memo started last year? That means Jefferson goes to the 4 and Millsap and Miles are coming off the bench.


I love Memo. People forget that he got injured because he was playing through an injury (something Boozer never did and Jazz fans resent Boozer for this. Memo took the risk and paid the price.) I think/hope he'll still contribute next year. He never had the greatest foot speed, so I hope he'll be able to come back (but in the NBA, a bit slower is a big difference.)
 
He paid nothing. He GOT paid 10 MIl. Dont feel so sorry for him as he was on the downside anyway. We dont have room for him beyond this season.
 
JFFR said:
Okur and Boozer were much better rebounders than Jefferson and Millsap.
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The problem- as I see it, anyway- is that both Big Al and Sap are good offensive rebounders, but mediocre defensive rebounders (boxing out seems to be beyond their respective abilities). This problem is compounded with Big Al parking his *** down low, negating Paul Millsap's ability to grab offensive rebounds (like he would with Booze shooting from the high post, Memo from outside, etc.). Both Millsap and Big Al need someone who eats up space, boxes out, and grabs defensive rebounds to be part of an effective rebounding frontcourt.

JFFR said:
I get sad when I think about it. What if Jefferson and Memo started last year? That means Jefferson goes to the 4 and Millsap and Miles are coming off the bench.
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And if Millsap's minutes are cut significantly, the Jazz are even worse.
 
I like Memo, but a frontcourt of Memo and Jefferson is perhaps one of the slowest frontcourts in the NBA with both getting torched on D.

I hope the Jazz find a way to keep him around for peanuts and get him some minutes off the bench. But either - let alone both - seems unlikely right now.
 
I've always considered Memo the reason Boozer was so good while in Utah. Stretching the Defense from the 5 does wonders, expecially when we don't have a 2 guard to do it. Now we don't have Memo but hopefully Hayward/Burks can step up to be that threat.

With that being said, I think Memo is very important to Kanters development. With both of them being Turkish he has an instant relationship. For that reason alone he is a huge value to this team.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I like Memo, but a frontcourt of Memo and Jefferson is perhaps one of the slowest frontcourts in the NBA with both getting torched on D.

I hope the Jazz find a way to keep him around for peanuts and get him some minutes off the bench. But either - let alone both - seems unlikely right now.
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Would it have really gotten that much more torched than Jefferson Millsap combo? Offensively it would have been much better, then we would have the added benefit of having Millsap's energy to spell either.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Would it have really gotten that much more torched than Jefferson Millsap combo? Offensively it would have been much better, then we would have the added benefit of having Millsap's energy to spell either.
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It would've been nice to have any depth at all on last year's team, but yes, Memo and Al would get burned horribly. Al is the purest definition of a tweener big in the NBA (way too slow to guard PFs, acceptable but unideal size for a C), and Memo has been one of the worst help defending bigs in the NBA since he was signed. From there, every problem each person has is exacerbated by the other. Al may have blocked a lot of shots, but by playing the 4, he'd have fewer opportunities to defend the rim. Since he's still faster than Memo, it would be suicide to truncate the matchups. Al's biggest problem was fundamentals, awareness, and footspeed in the PnR. As a 4, he would have even bigger troubles getting back to his man, AND he'd be put in those situations more (since there a lot more good offensive PFs than there are Cs).

Meanwhile, Memo would continue to be one to two full steps late helping anyone on D. Then comes my favorite part, where he won't concede a FG that he has no chance to stop and also won't give a hard foul; he'll slap or grab someone by their off-wrist and get them a three-point-play.

Yes. Those two together defensively would've been nothing short of a catastrophe (except against frontcourts that were almost equi-slow).
 
GVC said:
The problem- as I see it, anyway- is that both Big Al and Sap are good offensive rebounders, but mediocre defensive rebounders (boxing out seems to be beyond their respective abilities). This problem is compounded with Big Al parking his *** down low, negating Paul Millsap's ability to grab offensive rebounds (like he would with Booze shooting from the high post, Memo from outside, etc.). Both Millsap and Big Al need someone who eats up space, boxes out, and grabs defensive rebounds to be part of an effective rebounding frontcourt.

And if Millsap's minutes are cut significantly, the Jazz are even worse.
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You make great points.

Let me say this first... I love Millsap. However, I think he's better off playing 25-30 minutes than 30-35 minutes. For the first few years I felt like Millsap used to give 110% every single second on the floor. Last year I didn't see that (and I don't blame him! He has to take care of his body if he's gonna be playing serious minutes.)

Once again, I love Millsap. That being said I don't think he's a franchise player. I think he wants to be, and I love him for wanting it, but I'd rather have him doing the 3rd or 4the role on the team at 110% than have him being the 1st or 2nd guy at 80%. (I think thats called the Peter Principle in business???)
 
JFFR said:
Once again, I love Millsap. That being said I don't think he's a franchise player. I think he wants to be, and I love him for wanting it, but I'd rather have him doing the 3rd or 4the role on the team at 110% than have him being the 1st or 2nd guy at 80%. (I think thats called the Peter Principle in business???)
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Millsap was a lot better last year than most here give him credit for (even ignoring the myth that he wore down as the season progressed):

.578 TS%, 19.8 PER, 10th in the NBA in adjusted +/-. His rebounding was down- partly because of what I stated in my previous post (plus the team needing him to spread the floor more), partly because he was facing tougher competition and was pacing himself- but he was still one of the most efficient team basketball players in the whole league. I agree that he's probably best at around 30 minutes per game, but dropping down anywhere near 25 minutes in favor of other players (barring any big improvements), would hurt the Jazz's ability to win ball games.
 
JFFR said:
I like all that you are saying. I don't really get into fancy statistics because I haven't taken the time to know what they mean. But how do you feel about this article where it says Paul Millsap is one of the worst defenders in the league?

https://1320kfan.com/index.php/story/read/who_are_the_jazz_best_and_worst_defenders
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*where it says HIS MATCHUP produces at a very high rate.

I feel that:
1) It's one indicator in the scheme of things, and more important indicators say that Millsap is still a very good team defender
2) That Millsap probably shouldn't be a starter or playing quite as many minutes.

You could also make the argument that since Al's feet characteristically are stuck in the mud and that Millsap bears an inordinately high-level of responsibility being that he can move his feet and gives a ****. Which means that you could make an argument that if he stayed home and didn't try to rotate or help as much that his individual matchup would produce at a lower rate but that the opposing TEAM would out-produce the Jazz more. This angle is more speculative than the first two, but his team's on/off court net production tells a story much different than an article heavy on speculation itself.


And this has already been discussed and I'm pretty sure you were in the discussion.
 
Memo is underappreciated. I was there when he blew out the Achilles and it was pretty obvious that he probably shouldn't have been playing (as opposed to Boozer, who looked fine but made a big show of having a girdle wrapped around him every time he sat on the bench) but was really working at being productive on the court. I was against his big extension (and feel it was misguided still) but I understand why Okur is the kind of player with a disposition that makes him attractive to teams. It is highly unfortunate that his injury has and will dampen how important he was to the franchise during his pre-injury seasons.

Memo's defense was never fantastic, except for in one instance: guarding behemoth centers. Memo proved repeatedly that if he did nothing but concentrate he could frustrate guys like a prime Yao Ming that were large but not particularly mobile. I understand that's a specialty and nuanced, but it was critical to us getting past Houston in the playoffs twice.

Plus he let Fesenko wear his hand-me-down suits. In short: I like the guy.
 
NUMBERICA said:
It would've been nice to have any depth at all on last year's team, but yes, Memo and Al would get burned horribly. Al is the purest definition of a tweener big in the NBA (way too slow to guard PFs, acceptable but unideal size for a C), and Memo has been one of the worst help defending bigs in the NBA since he was signed. From there, every problem each person has is exacerbated by the other. Al may have blocked a lot of shots, but by playing the 4, he'd have fewer opportunities to defend the rim. Since he's still faster than Memo, it would be suicide to truncate the matchups. Al's biggest problem was fundamentals, awareness, and footspeed in the PnR. As a 4, he would have even bigger troubles getting back to his man, AND he'd be put in those situations more (since there a lot more good offensive PFs than there are Cs).

Meanwhile, Memo would continue to be one to two full steps late helping anyone on D. Then comes my favorite part, where he won't concede a FG that he has no chance to stop and also won't give a hard foul; he'll slap or grab someone by their off-wrist and get them a three-point-play.

Yes. Those two together defensively would've been nothing short of a catastrophe (except against frontcourts that were almost equi-slow).
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While I agree with you they would have sucked it up defensively, the added offensive benefits would out weight the defensive downsides.
 
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