What's new
By:
Filters

A Scouts take on the Jazz

midnight_hwy

midnight_hwy

Well-Known Member
Happened upon this while reading an article in the Trib,

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/56012223-87/defense-jazz-think-jefferson.html.csp?page=1

A scout’s take on the Jazz

An NBA scout recently spoke to The Salt Lake Tribune about the Jazz’s defensive struggles on the condition of anonymity. His edited assessments:

I think it’s bigger than Al. When I look at Mo Williams, I don’t see a great defender there. What I see in him and Randy Foye is guys who are kind of soft defensively. I don’t see real toughness or intensity. I don’t think Mo or Randy Foye are great defenders.

I think Millsap, he tries. I like Millsap, I really do, I just think he’d be best suited to be a bench player. A guy who could come off the bench, give you some points, give you some versatility. I think eventually they’re going to be better defensively when Favors is out there, playing more minutes with his strength, length. It seems like he has some competitive desire out there and an ability to block shots.

When some of your best players don’t play good defense, the other people see that and I think that drags them down. The other guys that go and play good defense do sometimes get dragged down by your marquee players.

Their bigs can be physical, they’ll bounce you around, they’ll commit some fouls around the basket, they’ll make you pay the price a little bit.

There’s not a strength of the Utah defense that really worries an opponent because I don’t think they force a lot of turnovers, I don’t think they generate a lot of steals.

I don’t know the coaching or what they’re trying to do, I just think [Tyrone Corbin] has some guys with some limitations on the defensive end. I’m sure he and the staff are trying everything they can to cover up their glaring weaknesses.


This pretty much sums up what most of us already know. It's pretty sad to know that the Jazz D doesn't worry the opposing teams.
I hope that can change soon.
 
Last edited:
midnight_hwy said:
Happened upon this while reading an article in the Trib,

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/56012223-87/defense-jazz-think-jefferson.html.csp?page=1

A scout’s take on the Jazz

An NBA scout recently spoke to The Salt Lake Tribune about the Jazz’s defensive struggles on the condition of anonymity. His edited assessments:

I think it’s bigger than Al. When I look at Mo Williams, I don’t see a great defender there. What I see in him and Randy Foye is guys who are kind of soft defensively. I don’t see real toughness or intensity. I don’t think Mo or Randy Foye are great defenders.

I think Millsap, he tries. I like Millsap, I really do, I just think he’d be best suited to be a bench player. A guy who could come off the bench, give you some points, give you some versatility. I think eventually they’re going to be better defensively when Favors is out there, playing more minutes with his strength, length. It seems like he has some competitive desire out there and an ability to block shots.

When some of your best players don’t play good defense, the other people see that and I think that drags them down. The other guys that go and play good defense do sometimes get dragged down by your marquee players.

Their bigs can be physical, they’ll bounce you around, they’ll commit some fouls around the basket, they’ll make you pay the price a little bit.

There’s not a strength of the Utah defense that really worries an opponent because I don’t think they force a lot of turnovers, I don’t think they generate a lot of steals.

I don’t know the coaching or what they’re trying to do, I just think [Tyrone Corbin] has some guys with some limitations on the defensive end. I’m sure he and the staff are trying everything they can to cover up their glaring weaknesses.


I pretty much sums up what most of already know. It's pretty sad to know that the Jazz D doesn't worry the opposing teams.
I hope that can change soon.
Click to expand...

If they're trying everything they can they'd at least start Favors & Kanter, and see how they go against teams not named Bobcats. C'mon Ty - you can do it.
 
midnight_hwy said:
Happened upon this while reading an article in the Trib,

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/56012223-87/defense-jazz-think-jefferson.html.csp?page=1

A scout’s take on the Jazz

An NBA scout recently spoke to The Salt Lake Tribune about the Jazz’s defensive struggles on the condition of anonymity. His edited assessments:

I think it’s bigger than Al. When I look at Mo Williams, I don’t see a great defender there. What I see in him and Randy Foye is guys who are kind of soft defensively. I don’t see real toughness or intensity. I don’t think Mo or Randy Foye are great defenders.

I think Millsap, he tries. I like Millsap, I really do, I just think he’d be best suited to be a bench player. A guy who could come off the bench, give you some points, give you some versatility. I think eventually they’re going to be better defensively when Favors is out there, playing more minutes with his strength, length. It seems like he has some competitive desire out there and an ability to block shots.

When some of your best players don’t play good defense, the other people see that and I think that drags them down. The other guys that go and play good defense do sometimes get dragged down by your marquee players.

Their bigs can be physical, they’ll bounce you around, they’ll commit some fouls around the basket, they’ll make you pay the price a little bit.

There’s not a strength of the Utah defense that really worries an opponent because I don’t think they force a lot of turnovers, I don’t think they generate a lot of steals.

I don’t know the coaching or what they’re trying to do, I just think [Tyrone Corbin] has some guys with some limitations on the defensive end. I’m sure he and the staff are trying everything they can to cover up their glaring weaknesses.


This pretty much sums up what most of us already know. It's pretty sad to know that the Jazz D doesn't worry the opposing teams.
I hope that can change soon.
Click to expand...

isnt that bassically what most of us have been saying.
chukers play no defense. no defense is contagious.
 
If that's how a real scouting report looks like then whoever pays them for reports are screwed big time.
 
The easiest way to get players to play defense, sit their butts on the bench if they don't. Start Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks and Carroll, guys who actually play defense.
 
cowhide said:
The easiest way to get players to play defense, sit their butts on the bench if they don't. Start Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks and Carroll, guys who actually play defense.
Click to expand...

Amen. I always say be patient with the results and impatient with the effort.
 
There’s not a strength of the Utah defense that really worries an opponent because I don’t think they force a lot of turnovers, I don’t think they generate a lot of steals.
Click to expand...

The Jazz Coaches used to talk about "batting average" which was how often a player would deflect a pass or knock the ball away from the offensive player to create loose ball situations

You NEVER see that from this squad. Sometimes Carroll, sometimes Hayward - Burks once in a while. Otherwise teams know they can get the ball from point A to point B against this team without much pressure. I think that's half the lost battle right there.

Also, spot on regarding the Williams/Foye back court. They do nothing to instigate pressure on the opposing player until they attempt to pass or shoot the ball. When Mo was a rookie he played defense like a lunatic - sometimes more activity than acheivement but the effort was always there. Now he's so passive I can't stand it.
 
In order to force turnovers you need to pressure the other team. For most of this year we have had the slowest and softest backcourt in the nba. Foye and Watson/tinsley. Mo, lets face it, doesn't play defense. He saves it up to chuck ill advised 3s.

Add into the fact that big al and Marvin don't play defense and you essentially limit us to Carroll and maybe Hayward who actually attempt to pressure guys and get steals.

One thing that's sad is how this scout didnt mention at all the offense. What the hell are we trying to accomplish there? Do EVER try and take advantages of mismatches or do we always just go with big al chucking by default?
 
KOC apologists argue that he has been hit or miss only with middle 1st round picks and that too because its a crapshoot anyways. But what they forget (and I remind) often is the several busts that happen with these middling vets that KOC goes after in the offseason in the name of helping our system. From Amaechi to Girisuck to Raja(second term) we have seen some spectacular busts but there have also been quite a few unspectacular busts along the way.He gets away with it and now Lindsey is put in charge to deal with this mess.

It is always about fixing the most obvious mess but at the expense of some other facet of the game.Last offseason, after it became obvious to the whole world that outside shooting was a problem the Jazz, they then swing into action, get themselves a couple of middling vets and pat themselves on the back for it "See y'all, you asked for outside shooting, we delivered it in the form of Mo and Foye. Now let's enjoy the championship ride" And then KOC is the one who always talks about getting all around players and not just specialists who can do only one thing well. This is a repeat joke that has been played on the SLC fanbase.
Jazz always sound like they are working hard to fix the biggest problems but in the process but they create newer ones, which can be fixed..well..next year.
 
I think Millsap, he tries. I like Millsap, I really do, I just think he’d be best suited to be a bench player. A guy who could come off the bench, give you some points, give you some versatility.
Click to expand...

Hope the Jazz FO think the same way as this guy does about Millsap.He aint worth the big money.
 
So if we are under qualified to question to almighty Corbin at least now someone with cred has our back.
 
vj_74 said:
KOC apologists argue that he has been hit or miss only with middle 1st round picks and that too because its a crapshoot anyways. But what they forget (and I remind) often is the several busts that happen with these middling vets that KOC goes after in the offseason in the name of helping our system. From Amaechi to Girisuck to Raja(second term) we have seen some spectacular busts but there have also been quite a few unspectacular busts along the way.He gets away with it and now Lindsey is put in charge to deal with this mess.

It is always about fixing the most obvious mess but at the expense of some other facet of the game.Last offseason, after it became obvious to the whole world that outside shooting was a problem the Jazz, they then swing into action, get themselves a couple of middling vets and pat themselves on the back for it "See y'all, you asked for outside shooting, we delivered it in the form of Mo and Foye. Now let's enjoy the championship ride" And then KOC is the one who always talks about getting all around players and not just specialists who can do only one thing well. This is a repeat joke that has been played on the SLC fanbase.
Jazz always sound like they are working hard to fix the biggest problems but in the process but they create newer ones, which can be fixed..well..next year.
Click to expand...

It would work if Al was a truly dominant post man, which would require constant double teams leaving three 40% three point shooters open (Foye, M.Willaims x 2). It all falls apart because Al is being doubled less, and his true shooting percentage is at a career low 51.8%. An offense cannot be designed around Al Jefferson, that is KOC's fallacy.
 
Revolution 9 said:
So if we are under qualified to question to almighty Corbin at least now someone with cred has our back.
Click to expand...

Funny thing is, who pays for Corbin's salary?

If Corbin feels like we're under-qualified to have an opinion about his team then why should we even show up and watch the games? We're too stupid and have never played in the NBA to know good basketball from bad basketball! So lets do Coach Corbin a favor, and stop watching, shall we?

Pretty soon, NBA players and coaches will be the only ones watching this mess. That arena sure is empty these days... Just a few years ago it was rockin... Today? It appears like even the lower bowl is struggling to fill up.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

Top