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Aaron Gordon....Are you serious? Disaster.....Disaster.....

I also think we need a guy like Gordon as a leader... he is vocal, but doesn't seem to be too much talk. Favors, Hayward, Burks, and Kanter are awfully quiet. Not sure on Trey's leadership yet.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Because Gordon is much more athletic than D Will and actually cares about defense. D Will can jump, but his lateral movement is terrible and he's not strong enough to guard most 4s. Gordon will struggle against the bigger 4s.

MKG is not a great comp... he can only play the 3 and his shot is beyond broken. If Gordon was only going to be able to play the 3 I wouldn't be so high on him. I just think the downside of Gordon is less than guys like Vonleh (although I like him a lot too) and Smart. If he doesn't become a good shooter, then I think he is Shawn Marion. If he becomes a good shooter I think he'll be one 2 or 3 best players in this draft.
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Marion was a career 49%/33% shooter. If Gordon becomes a GOOD shooter, he's a Shawn Marion.

At this point, I really don't care whether the pick is Gordon or Vonleh. IMO, Noah will be special. But Jazz can swing for the fences, hope Gordon becomes an all-star and Kanter becomes an all-star. Otherwise, Jazz are still left with a gaping wound at SF unless Hayward plays that position.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Exactly why can Gordon guard 4's and DW can't? As far as Gordon goes I chastised yamyam for saying Gordon wouldn't improve his shot, but at the same time it doesn't mean Gordon will just because of high character and being a hard worker. I remember MKG being as highly thought of and having the same character strengths, and MKG has shown little improvement. Not saying he won't, I hope he does improve, but I'm, not counting on it and the rest of you shouldn't either.


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This is hard to fix.

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If this is what we had to work with in AG, id be off the bandwagon.


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Core4 said:
Marion was a career 49%/33% shooter. If Gordon becomes a GOOD shooter, he's a Shawn Marion.

At this point, I really don't care whether the pick is Gordon or Vonleh. IMO, Noah will be special. But Jazz can swing for the fences, hope Gordon becomes an all-star and Kanter becomes an all-star. Otherwise, Jazz are still left with a gaping wound at SF unless Hayward plays that position.
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Semantics, but I think of Shawn Marion as an average shooter. 49% is above average 33% is below average. Gordon will likely shoot 50 ish percent... if he could hit 35% on 3s he'd be special. He may not end up being that good.

I like Noah too... I'll probably talk myself into either guy when we pick them... or Exum, Smart, etc., because I'm a homer. The only thing with Noah is that I think his floor is lower. Watched him a bunch this year and was puzzled why he didn't play more minutes or see the ball more.

I just think the overeaction that because Gordon isn't a knockdown shooter we shouldn't pick him is a little off. Now if he was exclusively a 2 or a 3 and can't shoot then I'm out.
 
jiggamanjazz said:
woah...woah... That may be the worst form I have ever seen
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I posted this before, but here is the breakdown of MKG, Gordon, and McBuckets:
Here is MKG's broken shot:
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Here is Gordon's shot:
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Those really aren't comparable.
And for reference, here is McBucket's shot:


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Any "analyst" bringing up MKG in relation to Gordon should be mocked to derision because they are simply spitballing.
 
From all the guys in our range I think Aaron is the clear cut choice. The other guys don't seem to have that fire, and confidence that Gordon does.

Vonleh looks a little timid, admits he's young, shied away from the star question. Smart might fit some of the things we are looking for, but we apparently don't want him,
or are just wildly smoke screening. Something bugs me about Exum, and he's shown zero interest in coming to Utah. Randle isn't a star in the making. And isn't a huge upgrade from
what we have.

Gordon's mindset and attitude is heads and tails above the others choices. As flawed as he is, he's the only chance at a stud/star we have.
 
Revolution 9 said:
From all the guys in our range I think Aaron is the clear cut choice. The other guys don't seem to have that fire, and confidence that Gordon does.

Vonleh looks a little timid, admits he's young, shied away from the star question. Smart might fit some of the things we are looking for, but we apparently don't want him,
or are just wildly smoke screening. Something bugs me about Exum, and he's shown zero interest in coming to Utah. Randle isn't a star in the making. And isn't a huge upgrade from
what we have.

Gordon's mindset and attitude is heads and tails above the others choices. As flawed as he is, he's the only chance at a stud/star we have.
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Vonleh: #humble
I see no problem with avoiding the "star" question and admitting you're young. Good to be coachable. I'm ok with Vonleh or Gordon.
 
Doublea said:
Exum's agent has shown no interest in utah.
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Honestly, if he's the best pick. . . then I could really care less.

I'm not a fan of Exum. I think he has the highest bust-factor of all the top picks. I'm a big fan of Aaron Gordon. If they can't get Wiggins or Parker, then he's the guy I want.
 
David Locke did a podcast with the Warrior's broadcasters about the draft. David Locke really likes Gordon and said that part of him thinks that Gordon should be the #1 pick. Said his downside was Shawn Marion.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
David Locke did a podcast with the Warrior's broadcasters about the draft. David Locke really likes Gordon and said that part of him thinks that Gordon should be the #1 pick. Said his downside was Shawn Marion.
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I just listened to that.

He said if it was up to him, he might take Gordon over Exum. But he thinks the Jazz will go with Dante.

I'll be really happy with either.
 
Core4 said:
Vonleh: #humble
I see no problem with avoiding the "star" question and admitting you're young. Good to be coachable. I'm ok with Vonleh or Gordon.
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That's a great point if he actually was a star. But seriously I wasn't looking for him to be cocky, I was looking for confidence. I didn't see it in that interview.
I saw someone young, timid, and polite. He seems like a decent guy.

What I saw with Aaron's interview, and in others he's done, is someone confident, and sure.

It seemed like Aaron is sure he will make it in this league, and Vonleh wasn't.

Just my two cents.
 
Core4 said:
Marion was a career 49%/33% shooter. If Gordon becomes a GOOD shooter, he's a Shawn Marion.

At this point, I really don't care whether the pick is Gordon or Vonleh. IMO, Noah will be special. But Jazz can swing for the fences, hope Gordon becomes an all-star and Kanter becomes an all-star. Otherwise, Jazz are still left with a gaping wound at SF unless Hayward plays that position.
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This.


If you're gonna take a punt on Vonleh, I'd rather take a punt that Kanter can be that stretch 4, and take Gordon.


You get 2 for the price of 1.
 
Revolution 9 said:
That's a great point if he actually was a star. But seriously I wasn't looking for him to be cocky, I was looking for confidence. I didn't see it in that interview.
I saw someone young, timid, and polite. He seems like a decent guy.

What I saw with Aaron's interview, and in others he's done, is someone confident, and sure.

It seemed like Aaron is sure he will make it in this league, and Vonleh wasn't.

Just my two cents.
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Vonleh's character is just soOOoooOoooo similar to Chris Bosh.



Whether or not that's a good or a bad thing I'll let you guys decide.
 
jazzfan1971 said:
Guess I better go watch that Gordon scouting report one more time. I've never warmed to the idea of drafting him.
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Me neither, until I had heard that he has seems to have be able to improve his shooting.


To me it's what's stopping him from being an average Tony Allen type player to becoming an All Star. So if we think he can truly improve upon it then it's a no-brainer to draft him at #5.
 
Watched it again. Still not impressed. Reminds me a bit of Greg Ostertag. But, solely for his touch. I remember thinking Ostertag looked like he was trying to bend the rim some times when he'd launch a shot up. I get that same feeling watching Gordon. Like he's just hurling the ball in the general direction of the rim and hoping for the best.

I definitely don't see what David Locke is seeing. #1 overall? Humm. I think #10 as he's currently mocked is more accurate.
 
jazzfan1971 said:
Watched it again. Still not impressed. Reminds me a bit of Greg Ostertag. But, solely for his touch. I remember thinking Ostertag looked like he was trying to bend the rim some times when he'd launch a shot up. I get that same feeling watching Gordon. Like he's just hurling the ball in the general direction of the rim and hoping for the best.

I definitely don't see what David Locke is seeing. #1 overall? Humm. I think #10 as he's currently mocked is more accurate.
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He had reportedly changed his shot....
 
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