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Al Jefferson is Vegan!

Ron Mexico said:
Yep, just like any diet. It is hard to stick to and hard to eat healthy.
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I would argue that for example paleo or modified paleo diet is way easier on your budget. With vegan diet you need to eat more to get the same amount of protein, calories, etc. Fruits, nuts and vegetables are quite expensive when compared to meat, eggs or fish when you look at how much you need to get to the same amount of calories and protein.
 
MVP said:
I would argue that for example paleo or modified paleo diet is way easier on your budget. With vegan diet you need to eat more to get the same amount of protein, calories, etc. Fruits, nuts and vegetables are quite expensive when compared to meat, eggs or fish when you look at how much you need to get to the same amount of calories and protein.
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Biggest myth ever. Being on a vegetarian or vegan diet is much cheaper.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Biggest myth ever. Being on a vegetarian or vegan diet is much cheaper.
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That totally depends on what kind of vegetarian or vegan you are. For example, if you're one that attempts to turn your political choice of vegetarianism or veganism into a diet that makes up for the loss of meat consumption in the healthiest way possible, then things can get really expensive. But if you choose to remain committed to the simple ethos of vegetarianism or veganism without any specific concern over or referent to health, then things can be cheaper.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Biggest myth ever. Being on a vegetarian or vegan diet is much cheaper.
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Well to be on poor and unbalanced vegan diet may be cheaper, lol ( beans and soy are cheap and not very healthy). But if you try to get nutritionally adequate diet including all supplements it gets pricey as with vegan diet you need to eat way more. Fruits and nuts are expensive, organic vegetables are expensive, quinoa and other super grains are expensive as well.
For example to get same amount of calcium what you get from cup of milk you need 16 cups of spinach. 100 gr of beef vs 500 gr of quinoa for same amount of protein ( which is not providing all necessary amino acids BTW). Already mentioned how much flaxseed oil you would need compared to tiny amount of fish oils. Add supplement costs. If you eat out - it will get even worse.
 
This vegan says his monthly grocery bills are 100$ higher since he switched.

https://www.thebillfold.com/2014/11/the-cost-of-being-vegan/

"People who give financial advice like to suggest that you go vegan, vegetarian, or at least celebrate Meatless Monday as a cost-cutting measure. As a vegan for two years and counting, this particular tip always makes me laugh.

Yes, rice and beans cost less than meat and cheese. But if you’ve given up meat and dairy products for environmental, health, spiritual, or moral reasons, you probably miss many of the foods that you used to enjoy. And you probably find that the soy/rice/almond/coconut-based alternatives are far more expensive than the real thing."
 
MVP said:
This vegan says his monthly grocery bills are 100$ higher since he switched.

https://www.thebillfold.com/2014/11/the-cost-of-being-vegan/

"People who give financial advice like to suggest that you go vegan, vegetarian, or at least celebrate Meatless Monday as a cost-cutting measure. As a vegan for two years and counting, this particular tip always makes me laugh.

Yes, rice and beans cost less than meat and cheese. But if you’ve given up meat and dairy products for environmental, health, spiritual, or moral reasons, you probably miss many of the foods that you used to enjoy. And you probably find that the soy/rice/almond/coconut-based alternatives are far more expensive than the real thing."
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How much cheaper on the grocery bill is it to hunt humans I don't like?
 
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MVP said:
Well to be on poor and unbalanced vegan diet may be cheaper, lol ( beans and soy are cheap and not very healthy). But if you try to get nutritionally adequate diet including all supplements it gets pricey as with vegan diet you need to eat way more. Fruits and nuts are expensive, organic vegetables are expensive, quinoa and other super grains are expensive as well.
For example to get same amount of calcium what you get from cup of milk you need 16 cups of spinach. 100 gr of beef vs 500 gr of quinoa for same amount of protein ( which is not providing all necessary amino acids BTW). Already mentioned how much flaxseed oil you would need compared to tiny amount of fish oils. Add supplement costs. If you eat out - it will get even worse.
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Well you still need to eat most those things you listed to be healthy whether or not your vegan. Also beans are very healthy as is soy. Organic vegetables are not required to be vegan. Spinach is very cheap. Quinoa can also be very cheap, although some places over charge for it. Vegetables in general are fairly cheap. A B12 supplement is very cheap. Fruit is cheap and you should eat it to be healthy regardless of being vegan. Nuts can be expensive but they are also very healthy and good for everyone to eat.

But yes eating healthy as a vegan can get expensive, just like eating healthy can get expensive for everyone.

The biggest difference between vegan and vegetarian is mostly dairy products which have debatable health benefits. Especially considering a very large portion of people can't properly digest lactose.

which is not providing all necessary amino acids BTW
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it's not hard to get your essential amino acids through different food that complements each other. You don't even have to eat foods in the same meal to get a complete protein and your essential amino acids. But quinoa does provide all essential amino acids. The ones your body doesn't produce.
 
If you want to go with dairy milk for your calcium instead of soy or almond milk you would have to drink twice as much. That would also give you way more sugar from dairy milk,, which is bad for you.

Heavy forbid you have olive oil to get your omega 3s or canola oil, both very popular in cooking. Or lots of other options but since you brought up flax seed lets stick with that. "One ounce of flax seeds packs in 6388mg of Omega 3 (nearly 6 times the RDA)" The other problem with your whole argument here is that almost everything vegans eat has some amount of omega 3s. Plus the fact that the reason people want so much of it is for the heart health but the best way to be more heart healthy is to eat more vegetables and eat less sugar and less red meat.
 
Tak said:
“Very simply, there are some nutrient requirements that we cannot get just consuming plant-derived foods,” says Hall, one of the authors of the study. “It rather speaks to us evolving as omnivores.”

Article:
https://qz.com/1131428/if-the-entire-us-went-vegan-itd-be-a-public-health-disaster/

Study abstract:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/11/15/1707322114.abstract
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Yeah, no **** if the entire US switched diets it would be a problem. That is true regardless of what it is to. No one is suggesting everyone switch to vegan in here, so that opinion piece is not relevant.

It also made me laugh that he mentioned vitamin d as an issue.

The entire US already fortifies many foods for health reasons. Including fortifying milk with vitamin d.
 
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