American Soldier Murders Afghans
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It certainly IS allowed, by sharia, in some instances. For an example, if a Muslim were to convert to another religion, then they are to be killed unless they repent and rejoin Islam. In some other instances, the Quran is not clear on the subject. Verses like "no compulsion in religion" that Mohammad came up with before al-hijra are very different from ones he wrote after he became powerful. It is really how you look at it. Most scholars would agree that in MOST cases, forced conversion is extremely prohibited. That was certainly the case throughout history, with Christians and Jews coexisting peacefully with Muslims.
aybars
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this is good stuff to read;
The origins of the Janissaries are shrouded in myth though traditional accounts credit Orhan I – an early Ottoman bey, who reigned from 1326 to 1359 – as the founder.[3] Modern historians, such as Patrick Kinross, put the date slightly later, around 1365, under Orhan's son, Murad I, the first sultan of the Ottoman Empire.[1] The Janissaries became the first Ottoman standing army, replacing forces that mostly contained tribal warriors (ghazis) whose loyalty and morale were not always guaranteed.[1] From Murad I to 1648, the Janissaries were gathered through the devşirme system. This was the recruiting of non-Turkish children, notably Balkan Christians; Jews were never subject to devşirme, nor were children from Turkic families. In early days, all Christians were enrolled indiscriminately; later, those from Albania, Greece, Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria were preferred.[4][5]
The Janissaries were kapıkulları (sing. kapıkulu), "door servants" or "slaves of the Porte", neither free men nor ordinary slaves (Turkish: köle).[6] They were subject to strict discipline, but they were paid salaries and pensions on retirement, and were free to marry; those conscripted through devşirme formed a distinctive social class[7] which quickly became the ruling class of the Ottoman Empire, rivaling the Turkish aristocracy in one of the four royal institutions: the Palace, the Scribes, the Religious and the Military. The brightest of the Janissaries were sent to the Palace institution (Enderun), where the possibility of a glittering career beckoned.
According to military historian Michael Antonucci, every five years the Turkish administrators would scour their regions for the strongest sons of the sultan's Christian subjects. These boys, usually between the ages of 10 and 12, were then taken from their parents and given to the Turkish families in the provinces to learn Turkish language and customs, and the rules of Islam; these boys were then enrolled in Janissary training. The recruit was immediately indoctrinated into the religion of Islam. He was supervised 24 hours a day and subjected to severe discipline: he was prohibited from growing a beard, taking up a skill other than war, or marrying. The Janissaries were extremely well disciplined (a rarity in the Middle Ages).
Greek Historian Dimitri Kitsikis in his book, Türk Yunan İmparatorluğu ("Turco-Greek Empire")[4] states that many Christian families were willing to comply with devşirme because it offered the possibility of great social advancement. Conscripts could one day become Janissary colonels; statesmen who might one day return to their motherland as governor; or even Grand Vizier or Beylerbey (governor general), with a seat in the divan (imperial council).
Perhaps the most famous Janissaries were George Kastrioti Skanderbeg, son of a despot in northern Albania who later defected and led a 20-year Albanian revolt against the Ottomans, and Sokollu Mehmed Paşa, a Serbian peasant from Bosnia who later became a grand vizier, served three sultans, and was de facto ruler of the Ottoman Empire[8] for more than 14 years.The Ukrainian, Bulgarian and Serbian languages employed the name Janissary to refer to any warrior who converted from Christianity to Islam.
The origins of the Janissaries are shrouded in myth though traditional accounts credit Orhan I – an early Ottoman bey, who reigned from 1326 to 1359 – as the founder.[3] Modern historians, such as Patrick Kinross, put the date slightly later, around 1365, under Orhan's son, Murad I, the first sultan of the Ottoman Empire.[1] The Janissaries became the first Ottoman standing army, replacing forces that mostly contained tribal warriors (ghazis) whose loyalty and morale were not always guaranteed.[1] From Murad I to 1648, the Janissaries were gathered through the devşirme system. This was the recruiting of non-Turkish children, notably Balkan Christians; Jews were never subject to devşirme, nor were children from Turkic families. In early days, all Christians were enrolled indiscriminately; later, those from Albania, Greece, Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria were preferred.[4][5]
The Janissaries were kapıkulları (sing. kapıkulu), "door servants" or "slaves of the Porte", neither free men nor ordinary slaves (Turkish: köle).[6] They were subject to strict discipline, but they were paid salaries and pensions on retirement, and were free to marry; those conscripted through devşirme formed a distinctive social class[7] which quickly became the ruling class of the Ottoman Empire, rivaling the Turkish aristocracy in one of the four royal institutions: the Palace, the Scribes, the Religious and the Military. The brightest of the Janissaries were sent to the Palace institution (Enderun), where the possibility of a glittering career beckoned.
According to military historian Michael Antonucci, every five years the Turkish administrators would scour their regions for the strongest sons of the sultan's Christian subjects. These boys, usually between the ages of 10 and 12, were then taken from their parents and given to the Turkish families in the provinces to learn Turkish language and customs, and the rules of Islam; these boys were then enrolled in Janissary training. The recruit was immediately indoctrinated into the religion of Islam. He was supervised 24 hours a day and subjected to severe discipline: he was prohibited from growing a beard, taking up a skill other than war, or marrying. The Janissaries were extremely well disciplined (a rarity in the Middle Ages).
Greek Historian Dimitri Kitsikis in his book, Türk Yunan İmparatorluğu ("Turco-Greek Empire")[4] states that many Christian families were willing to comply with devşirme because it offered the possibility of great social advancement. Conscripts could one day become Janissary colonels; statesmen who might one day return to their motherland as governor; or even Grand Vizier or Beylerbey (governor general), with a seat in the divan (imperial council).
Perhaps the most famous Janissaries were George Kastrioti Skanderbeg, son of a despot in northern Albania who later defected and led a 20-year Albanian revolt against the Ottomans, and Sokollu Mehmed Paşa, a Serbian peasant from Bosnia who later became a grand vizier, served three sultans, and was de facto ruler of the Ottoman Empire[8] for more than 14 years.The Ukrainian, Bulgarian and Serbian languages employed the name Janissary to refer to any warrior who converted from Christianity to Islam.
aybars
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regular christian and jewish people were never forced to except islam under ottoman rule,,most of the goverment officals,ministers,ammbassaders(excuse ny english) were armenians,greeks and jews.greek skytv had a documantary last year called 1821 where they said greeks were free the practise their religion under ottoman rule which is oppisite of what the greek history book says..
i say it is a easy mat;ottoman ruled 600 years,that is allmost 10 generations,,if they wanted balkans(serbia,greece,bulgaria,hungary,......) muslim, they would be muslim today.
BTW guys ,,im not muslim,,im budhist,so im not taking a side on any religion
i say it is a easy mat;ottoman ruled 600 years,that is allmost 10 generations,,if they wanted balkans(serbia,greece,bulgaria,hungary,......) muslim, they would be muslim today.
BTW guys ,,im not muslim,,im budhist,so im not taking a side on any religion
MK11
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I only would like to state again and again, Islam and muslims are two apart notions.
Other than this, your mouth would be stay open for days if you heard the things that some muslims manage to understand and came up with from the Quran
Lol, by the way I hope you got my earlier joke,
if you didn't, then please repeat after me,
"ash-heh-du-an-laa-elaa-heh-ill-la-Allah-va-ash-heh-du-an-laa-Mohammed-an-ra-soul-Allah"
Come on sir it's easy!
Edit : nevermind sir, saw your latter post.
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aybars
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this one is special,,made in the same tample where Angelina jolie had hers
and this one when i was having my tiger(enother place) that guy told me he never seen any1 who smiles during tatoo work like the way i smile
The Black Swordsman
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Btw I wanted to add something. Not necessarily to you or in this post but there is this big misconception of what came first, Islam or Arabic progress. People say that the Qur'an has no scientific inaccuracies, scopes apart the Arabic language and is a literally style that cannot be repeated without copying it word for word, and gives women inheritance rights 1200 years before most European countries because the Arabs at the time were advanced when the Qur'an was written. People think Islam is such a perfect religion because the Arabs at the time were so advanced when they came up with it. This is far from the truth. Even Muhammad (S.A.W.) was amazed at how barbaric the Arabs were. They would often bury their newborns if they were females, they thought mountains held up the sky, the list goes on.
The Arabs were progressed at unprecedented levels after the Qur'an was given about astronomy (an example is that the solar apex is mentioned in the Qur'an when it was first described in the west at 1783), also embryology the two common thoughts at the time were Aristotelian view and a Galen view. Galen thought there were mini humans in sperm and that all genetic data came from dad and Aristotle thought sperm mixed with menstrual blood to form humans (it is different in Qur'an both mom and dad are equal, and the dad determines sex of child).
The fall of Islam came from a mixture of things. One was that Europe were imperialists and imperialism put them ahead. Something about me is that I am a little bit of a Qur'anist muslim, meaning I don't take the Haddith from either Sunni or Shia as 100% canon. I make the case that when the Islamic empire went back and started taking the Haddith as canon also contributed to their fall. A third reason is from something called "resource curse" or paradox of the plenty. Oil has caused their demise.
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PearlWatson
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[The lawyer] also said the accused had witnessed his friend's leg blown off the day before the killings.
https://blog.foreignpolicy.com/post...shooter_quoted_in_2009_army_article_from_iraq
Duck Rodgers
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Aybars = Vicente Fox. Dead ringer.
The Thriller
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I thought I read that this dude was serving his 4th tour of Afghanistan. That'll do a number on your brain man, don't care what anybody says.
While going on a murdering rampage like this one is always unacceptable, I'm not sure it's that surprising.
You occupy a country for 10+ years.... You see how incompetent they are... You see how they are constantly fighting against each other while eating away billions of your tax money... You see death all around you... And just like Vietnam, the people who you think are on your side are stabbing you behind your back! It's impossible to know "who" really is your ally and who isn't.
Of course these soldiers are going to be tired and paranoid.
I'm surprised more incidents like these haven't happened!
Time to get the hell out of there.
While going on a murdering rampage like this one is always unacceptable, I'm not sure it's that surprising.
You occupy a country for 10+ years.... You see how incompetent they are... You see how they are constantly fighting against each other while eating away billions of your tax money... You see death all around you... And just like Vietnam, the people who you think are on your side are stabbing you behind your back! It's impossible to know "who" really is your ally and who isn't.
Of course these soldiers are going to be tired and paranoid.
I'm surprised more incidents like these haven't happened!
Time to get the hell out of there.
I think it is his 4th tour but 2nd in Afghanistan. If I remember correctly he had done two in Iraq previously.
The Thriller
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You're probably right. I knew it was his 4th tour but I didn't know if it was all in Afghanistan or not.
I think the same principle applies though....
So much war will do a number on anyone's brain. I'm surprised this kind of stuff doesn't happen even more.
What kind of lives are our vets going to live? I admit, I haven't served and most of my friends involved in the military are still mostly in the reserve and haven't really served abroad....But I'm guessing that cases of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and other mental conditions are through the roof. You can't just serve in so much war and expect it to not take a toll.
That is particularly big. My father has it from vietnam. When he goes to a restaurant or something he sits with his back to a wall so he can see everything coming at him. Lots of little signs.
aybars
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no you didnt
aybars
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no,no,no...hell no