Archeologists find David's palace.

[Dr. Jones]

I guess it can only be all exactly true or all exactly false in your mind, then.

You would prefer him be in Shrodinger's Box and have him both believe and not believe, at the same time?

 

[Dr. Jones]

^Heisenberg says he's uncertain about all that..

 

[Gameface]

Pretty interesting stuff. Just out of curiosity do atheists or non believers deny that the Bible has historical accuracies in it? Since they are all about the facts and evidence I'm assuming that can't deny all the archeologist evidence for the Bible.

Its not that they have to be Christian or believe in it spiritually but I always here atheists saying "The Bible is a bunch of made up stories". Just seems very hypocritical.


https://www.jpost.com/Features/In-T...s-uncover-palace-from-Kingdom-of-David-320226

I don't know much about this at all, but I always assumed David was a real historical figure. Him having a real palace doesn't blow my mind.

There's also a Pope and a Vatican, fyi. If that strengthens your faith more power to you.

 

[Beantown]

I don't know much about this at all, but I always assumed David was a real historical figure. Him having a real palace doesn't blow my mind.

There's also a Pope and a Vatican, fyi. If that strengthens your faith more power to you.

I was more referring to atheist that make fun of the Bible saying that its just a bunch of made up stories. Atheists will rip the Bible apart but yet Archaeology keeps proving the Bible to be failry accurate in terms of the people in the Bible as well as places. As well as matching up with the time frames.

Again I'm not saying this should make anyone a believer or becomes religious. I stated that before but everyone I guess didn't read that part. I am just saying Atheist can no longer just brush off the Bible as bunch of made up stories. Archeology has proven time and time again that many of these people and places did exist.

 

[Beantown]

I guess it can only be all exactly true or all exactly false in your mind, then.

Again, I never said they need to believe in it for spiritual reasons, but they can't just brush it off as a book of fiction.

 

[Archie Moses]

I found it when I went to grapple with him. It's a **** hole littered with kittens

 

[Stoked]

I was more referring to atheist that make fun of the Bible saying that its just a bunch of made up stories. Atheists will rip the Bible apart but yet Archaeology keeps proving the Bible to be failry accurate in terms of the people in the Bible as well as places. As well as matching up with the time frames.

Again I'm not saying this should make anyone a believer or becomes religious. I stated that before but everyone I guess didn't read that part. I am just saying Atheist can no longer just brush off the Bible as bunch of made up stories. Archeology has proven time and time again that many of these people and places did exist.

Devils advocate here.

Just because the person and place are real does not mean the story is.

 

[Stoked]

Again, I never said they need to believe in it for spiritual reasons, but they can't just brush it off as a book of fiction.

Having parts of it proven true does make that harder to do in my eyes. However that doe snot mean it is all true as Numb said.

I think seeing these things being proven is cool.

 

[Beantown]

Devils advocate here.

Just because the person and place are real does not mean the story is.

I totally agree, but the issue is that many atheists just write off the whole Bible as pure fiction. It seems atheists perceive it as laughable that people could still believe in the Bible. But yet archeologist keep proving a very large portion of the Bible in terms of its people and places.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

the issue is that many atheists just write off the whole Bible as pure fiction.

Links/examples? Atheists criticize the way the stories occurred or who actually caused some natural events. Not that the people/groups/cities never existed.

atheists perceive it as laughable that people could still believe in the Bible.

You really think atheists find the idea of Jerusalem, kingdoms, and wars as laughable? No. They don't necessarily believe all the stories and experiences of the people in these societies that are contained in the bible. Do you believe all the stories and miracles of Mohammad? The Buddha? etc.?

I was more referring to atheist that make fun of the Bible saying that its just a bunch of made up stories.

Examples please. Who has ever said something that is now disproved with this recent archaeological find?

Atheists will rip the Bible apart but yet Archaeology keeps proving the Bible to be failry accurate in terms of the people in the Bible as well as places.

Again, links to atheists criticizing the geography of the bible as laughable? Those generally aren't the things that atheists criticize.

As well as matching up with the time frames.

This is a silly criticism of atheists. Even Mormon/Christian apologists/historians criticize many of the timelines laid out in the bible along with believing Christian/Jewish academics. Many will also admit that many of the books of the bible were not written when claimed. Are you saying that you believe the earth is only 6,000 years old then like the bible states? Or that the earth was created in 6 days? I mean, I can't imagine a believer like you would ever criticize the time frames stated in the Bible.

Again I'm not saying this should make anyone a believer or becomes religious. I stated that before but everyone I guess didn't read that part.

No, we read it. It just doesn't quite say that. You didn't talk about it "making anyone a believer," but you made a comment implying atheists are too dumb to understand basic history regardless of whether they are "Christian or believe in it spiritually." You said nothing about becoming a believer or religious. And then you used the word "hypocritically" in a way that doesn't make sense.

I am just saying Atheist can no longer just brush off the Bible as bunch of made up stories.

Again, links? Besides a 15 year old kid who believes he's smarter than everyone, please point me to credible books/articles that deny the historicity of the bible, its people, and its geography on the whole. Then, I will link you to Mormon articles by general authorities admitting errors in the book regarding timelines, geography, people, and events.

Archeology has proven time and time again that many of these people and places did exist.

Link to atheists denying these places exist? Does anyone dispute that?

Your overall argument is like claiming that people who don't believe in the Doctrine and Covenants/writings of Joseph Smith are also dismissing him as a historical figure or the Mormon experience as a fairy tale. It seems atheists must somehow be amazed to learn Joseph Smith was a real person that really taught people and started a church. And that seeing the Nauvoo and Kirtland temples somehow validates the Mormon religion.

You are mischaracterizing atheist views either intentionally or unintentionally. You've created a strawman that isn't even convincing to the other believers here.

 

[pickledXgrandma]

Do you really think people turned into salt? Do you really believe a man spent an extended amount of time in a whales stomach? There is so many ridiculous things in religious text that people are expected to believe happened. Why dont things like that happen nowadays?

 

[Beantown]

Links/examples? Atheists criticize the way the stories occurred or who actually caused some natural events. Not that the people/groups/cities never existed.



You really think atheists find the idea of Jerusalem, kingdoms, and wars as laughable? No. They don't necessarily believe all the stories and experiences of the people in these societies that are contained in the bible. Do you believe all the stories and miracles of Mohammad? The Buddha? etc.?



Examples please. Who has ever said something that is now disproved with this recent archaeological find?



Again, links to atheists criticizing the geography of the bible as laughable? Those generally aren't the things that atheists criticize.



This is a silly criticism of atheists. Even Mormon/Christian apologists/historians criticize many of the timelines laid out in the bible along with believing Christian/Jewish academics. Many will also admit that many of the books of the bible were not written when claimed. Are you saying that you believe the earth is only 6,000 years old then like the bible states? Or that the earth was created in 6 days? I mean, I can't imagine a believer like you would ever criticize the time frames stated in the Bible.



No, we read it. It just doesn't quite say that. You didn't talk about it "making anyone a believer," but you made a comment implying atheists are too dumb to understand basic history regardless of whether they are "Christian or believe in it spiritually." You said nothing about becoming a believer or religious. And then you used the word "hypocritically" in a way that doesn't make sense.



Again, links? Besides a 15 year old kid who believes he's smarter than everyone, please point me to credible books/articles that deny the historicity of the bible, its people, and its geography on the whole. Then, I will link you to Mormon articles by general authorities admitting errors in the book regarding timelines, geography, people, and events.



Link to atheists denying these places exist? Does anyone dispute that?

Your overall argument is like claiming that people who don't believe in the Doctrine and Covenants/writings of Joseph Smith are also dismissing him as a historical figure or the Mormon experience as a fairy tale. It seems atheists must somehow be amazed to learn Joseph Smith was a real person that really taught people and started a church. And that seeing the Nauvoo and Kirtland temples somehow validates the Mormon religion.

You are mischaracterizing atheist views either intentionally or unintentionally. You've created a strawman that isn't even convincing to the other believers here.

Links? Im talking about real conversations I have with atheists.