Are the Jazz exactly where they wan't to be??

[Lakers_Slapper]

With so many free agents out there that are just waiting to be signed. The Jazz do what they do every year and..... observe. I am not saying that we can go out and sign Lebron, Bosh, or Anthony, like they are cherries waiting for pick'n, But with our available cap space we should be going after something,,,,,, right??? ESPN hasn't said anything about the Jazz really trying to do anything. We have cap space but so far our biggest deal is trying to over-pay Hayward for a contract. Isn't Deng available?? Kevin Love??? Bosh??? I know what you are saying... Players like them need to have a supporting cast of talent in place if you expect them to sign. So why not put a supporting cast of talent in place??
We're Utah right?? We don't need to win championships. We never have now so why start trying to make it happen now?? On the positive end we did get Steve Novak. Thats right, if your standing please sit down because your knees might buckle. I said Steve Novak!!! WOOOOWWWW!!!!! Could you even imagine the Jazz if we get someone good to go with the current roster of polished turds that we have. I mean, we could win as much (but not limited to) 35 games this season. Could you even imagine?? Falling short of the 8th seed by 2 spots?? I wish, I wish upon a star!!!!!
Favors is going to start scoring like Shaq, I can feel it. Kanter, definitely the next Blake Griffen. Oh and Gordon Hayward, lets pay him as much money as we can!!!
If you think our 25 wins last year was impressive. Just wait to see what we do with all these wild transactions that are in process. We are could do as good as breaking the 30 win mark!!!!!

 

[The Midnight]

Meanwhile this could be the Lakers' lineup this coming season...


Nash
Kobe
Carmelo
Randle
Gasol


Merry Christmas Lakers_Slapper.

 

[addictionary]

I agree that the Jazz must act to something in this rich free agency era, but let's not just consider the current roster too talentless. I sense a feel of relaxation and better execution of the game of basketball in general for the -what Core 7 now? I'm quite certain the Jazz will have a better record even with what is at hand. But sending Hayward, the Jazz must sign an FA that fills the scoring gap. Trey can carry the burden to set plays. And Exum is faster than Gordon. I just hope they don't stick to traditions to bench Exum instead of giving him the PT to get him to a level where he obviously states that he is ready for.

 

[gandalfe]

You're not very good at that whole sarcasm thing.

 

[Jazzman_86]

what is the last big name free agent signing for Utah?

Boozer, Memo?

 

[fishonjazz]

what is the last big name free agent signing for Utah?

Boozer, Memo?

Thing is there are not many big name free agents available each year and those big names that are free agents often stay with thier own teams.

What is the last big name free agent signing for the lakers?

How about the spurs?

The thunder?

Trailblazers?

phoenix?

There are alot of teams who rarely sign superstar type free agents

 

[fishonjazz]

Free agency is the most difficult way to build a championship contender for the majority of teams in the nba.

Drafting well and developing those drafted players and having good coaching with a good system is much more important.

Asset accumulation to use in trades for star players (harden, houston) is another good way to acquire talent.

Use free agency to plug holes with good role players

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think the Jazz are in good shape as a young team with talent learning how to play with each other.

Burke/Exum
Exum/Burks
Hayward/Hood
Kanter/Evans
Favors/Gobert

I actually like this line-up more than the Lakers line-up that Hotttnikkk posted. It's younger, more athletic, probably plays better defense and it's much more cost effective. An overpaid Kobe, overpaid Pau and an overpaid Carmello aren't going to win anything. The Jazz can be really good, and they're just one or two moves away from being able to become a top-4 team in the West.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Lol @ Exum starting ahead of Burks. Fans are cute.

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[cowhide]

With so many free agents out there that are just waiting to be signed. The Jazz do what they do every year and..... observe. I am not saying that we can go out and sign Lebron, Bosh, or Anthony, like they are cherries waiting for pick'n, But with our available cap space we should be going after something,,,,,, right??? ESPN hasn't said anything about the Jazz really trying to do anything. We have cap space but so far our biggest deal is trying to over-pay Hayward for a contract. Isn't Deng available?? Kevin Love??? Bosh??? I know what you are saying... Players like them need to have a supporting cast of talent in place if you expect them to sign. So why not put a supporting cast of talent in place??
We're Utah right?? We don't need to win championships. We never have now so why start trying to make it happen now?? On the positive end we did get Steve Novak. Thats right, if your standing please sit down because your knees might buckle. I said Steve Novak!!! WOOOOWWWW!!!!! Could you even imagine the Jazz if we get someone good to go with the current roster of polished turds that we have. I mean, we could win as much (but not limited to) 35 games this season. Could you even imagine?? Falling short of the 8th seed by 2 spots?? I wish, I wish upon a star!!!!!
Favors is going to start scoring like Shaq, I can feel it. Kanter, definitely the next Blake Griffen. Oh and Gordon Hayward, lets pay him as much money as we can!!!
If you think our 25 wins last year was impressive. Just wait to see what we do with all these wild transactions that are in process. We are could do as good as breaking the 30 win mark!!!!!

Yes the Jazz are right where they want to be for NOW. DL said that they are not going to skip steps. It is not time to start packaging up 2 or 3 young guys to bring in one very good player. That will only lead to challenging for the eighth seed. Most very good FAs are not going to come to Utah now because they see that we are rebuilding.

Once the Jazz get to a contending level and know enough about their young core then it will be the time to chase down a major player or two to add to the roster. Love is not coming to Utah simply because he is tired of losing and not making the playoffs, Bosh has been in the NBA finals four straight years do you think he wants to be part of a rebuild, Deng was awful last season and has had nagging injuries lately besides he isn't that much better than what we have, he isn't a difference maker. You make it sound as though our young guys can't improve. The Jazz have one of the youngest rosters in the league. It is time to be patience and let the new coach change the culture and the style we are going to play.

Whether we have another losing season or not I see an improved Jazz team and I think there is no way the Jazz only win 25 and even 30 games next year. To answer your question, Yes the Jazz are almost where they want to be now. They have to either re-sign Hayward or get his replacement and then I think the roster is pretty much set for training camp.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Lol @ Exum starting ahead of Burks. Fans are cute.

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Burks has been a 6th man thusfar. Wait til you see what Exum can do. Burks is becoming a solid scorer, but he's not as versatile as Exum is going to be.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Meanwhile this could be the Lakers' lineup this coming season...


Nash
Kobe
Carmelo
Randle
Gasol


Merry Christmas Lakers_Slapper.

Don't think so. They'd have to renounce Gasol to get under the cap to sign 'Melo and then they couldn't give him enough money to return.
Just the salaries of Kobe ($23.5M), Nash ($9M), the cap hold for Gasol ($20M), Randle ($2.5M) and the assorted cheap players and minimum amounts (for a 12 player roster) would put them at $59M.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Yes the Jazz are right where they want to be for NOW. DL said that they are not going to skip steps. It is not time to start packaging up 2 or 3 young guys to bring in one very good player. That will only lead to challenging for the eighth seed. Most very good FAs are not going to come to Utah now because they see that we are rebuilding.

Once the Jazz get to a contending level and know enough about their young core then it will be the time to chase down a major player or two to add to the roster. Love is not coming to Utah simply because he is tired of losing and not making the playoffs, Bosh has been in the NBA finals four straight years do you think he wants to be part of a rebuild, Deng was awful last season and has had nagging injuries lately besides he isn't that much better than what we have, he isn't a difference maker. You make it sound as though our young guys can't improve. The Jazz have one of the youngest rosters in the league. It is time to be patience and let the new coach change the culture and the style we are going to play.

Whether we have another losing season or not I see an improved Jazz team and I think there is no way the Jazz only win 25 and even 30 games next year. To answer your question, Yes the Jazz are almost where they want to be now. They have to either re-sign Hayward or get his replacement and then I think the roster is pretty much set for training camp.

I agree. Bringing in big a big free agent now (except perhaps LeBron) will not get us where we want to be. If you bring in a big talent now we win a few more games, but that big FA takes minutes from our young guys who need to develop right now. Once they develop, then strike out for your free agent targets.

I think most here will agree it is ok to watch the Jazz lose as long as they do it with a good system with team effort involved, and we can watch our team jell and grow. If we have another disorganized crapfest, I will be bummed.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I think the Jazz are in good shape as a young team with talent learning how to play with each other.

Burke/Exum
Exum/Burks
Hayward/Hood
Kanter/Evans
Favors/Gobert

I actually like this line-up more than the Lakers line-up that Hotttnikkk posted. It's younger, more athletic, probably plays better defense and it's much more cost effective. An overpaid Kobe, overpaid Pau and an overpaid Carmello aren't going to win anything. The Jazz can be really good, and they're just one or two moves away from being able to become a top-4 team in the West.

I agree. We may suck. Who knows? But our youth and ceiling is a lot more fun than getting our hopes up at a ring (we would with that Lakers lineup) only to have Nash and Kobe get re-injured, Randle play like a rookie, and reality set in quickly with an 8 seed and first round exit via a sweep at the hands of the Spurs or OKC.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Cry much? This is a rebuild, and this is what it looks like. Real fans are fine with being patient. I'd rather the organization continue to build via the draft, develop, and be patient, then throw first tier money at second and third tier free agents, just so we could make first round exits in the playoffs for a couple years until those players leave or retire, so fairweather cry-babies can be appeased. I'm a Jazz lifer. The draft is the only path to the holy grail. Free Agency, beyond our own RFA's is just for adding minor complementary pieces to what we already have. The draft and trades are our salvation.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Cry much? This is a rebuild, and this is what it looks like. Real fans are fine with being patient. I'd rather the organization continue to build via the draft, develop, and be patient, then throw first tier money at second and third tier free agents, just so we could make first round exits in the playoffs for a couple years until those players leave or retire, so fairweather cry-babies can be appeased. I'm a Jazz lifer. The draft is the only path to the holy grail. Free Agency, beyond our own RFA's is just for adding minor complementary pieces to what we already have. The draft and trades are our salvation.

Overall, I agree that the Jazz are right on track with their rebuild. Part of the problem is that they were always competitive under Jerry Sloan, so it's hard to watch them struggle so much under Corbin and then realize that they have to tear the team down to the foundation to build it back up again. Many of us understand this, but it's still hard to be patient with the process. I believe in the process. A small market team needs to have a clear plan and then execute that plan to the best of their abilities.

I don't think that Dennis Lindsey had a clear plan when he got here. I think that 2012 was a learning year for him to evaluate the organization from top to bottom. He went for a 1 year reload, and set himself up nicely to either continue that path or start from scratch. I'm glad that he chose the way that he did, because I think that it represents the best possible chance at contending.

Right now, it's Moneyball for the Utah Jazz. Get as close to the salary floor as possible and focus on the young players. The Jazz are fully committed to a Draft and Develop philosophy. They're in Year 2 of a 5 year plan. Last year was the start of things. They committed to the rebuild and let all the veterans walk. There should have been more of an organizational support for tanking, but all things considered - getting Exum at #5 does have the potential to make it all worthwhile IF he develops into the player that many think he can be.

Right now, they have Favors, Kanter, Burks, Burke, Exum, Evans and Hood under guaranteed contracts. They have two decent European Assets that they could bring over without overpaying to buy them out and pay them to come. They have the Bird Rights and right of first refusal for Gordon Hayward, so that if they can swing a deal that puts them close to the Salary Cap, they can match his contract and go over it without hitting the Luxury Tax. They have a new head coach who is very smart and highly regarded for his player developmental skills. And he hired a staff that matches that outlook as well. I'm expecting this to be a year of learning the new system and evaluating the long-term potential for all of this young talent. It's going to be rough at times, but the process is important.

With extended playing time for the young guys AND a better head coach AND a better bench, I don't think there's any way that the Utah Jazz won't make significant improvements in both the quality of play and actual wins. They'll still probably be in the lottery (which should give them yet another quality young player for the bench), but I truly expect them to be more highly regarded league-wide for the progress of individual players and as a team unit. I firmly believe that hey're on their way back up. Will it be enough to contend in the West? Who knows. I like their chances 3 years from now if Exum develops as hoped and if another player breaks out or if they make a move to acquire an All-Star forward.

I think that they're more likely to try to make that move next year, once they've seen how all of the young guys respond to Snyder and who steps up to lead the team moving forward. I firmly believe that this team has a lot of talent that was mismanaged horribly. I think that the front office is being prudent by seeing who fits with their future plans before making any drastic and/or dramatic moves. It's worth struggling for another year to put guys like Kanter, Burks, Burke, Exum, Gobert and Hood out on the court to see exactly what they can and can't do before deciding if they have a place on this team or not.

 

[fishonjazz]

Overall, I agree that the Jazz are right on track with their rebuild. Part of the problem is that they were always competitive under Jerry Sloan, so it's hard to watch them struggle so much under Corbin and then realize that they have to tear the team down to the foundation to build it back up again. Many of us understand this, but it's still hard to be patient with the process. I believe in the process. A small market team needs to have a clear plan and then execute that plan to the best of their abilities.

I don't think that Dennis Lindsey had a clear plan when he got here. I think that 2012 was a learning year for him to evaluate the organization from top to bottom. He went for a 1 year reload, and set himself up nicely to either continue that path or start from scratch. I'm glad that he chose the way that he did, because I think that it represents the best possible chance at contending.

Right now, it's Moneyball for the Utah Jazz. Get as close to the salary floor as possible and focus on the young players. The Jazz are fully committed to a Draft and Develop philosophy. They're in Year 2 of a 5 year plan. Last year was the start of things. They committed to the rebuild and let all the veterans walk. There should have been more of an organizational support for tanking, but all things considered - getting Exum at #5 does have the potential to make it all worthwhile IF he develops into the player that many think he can be.

Right now, they have Favors, Kanter, Burks, Burke, Exum, Evans and Hood under guaranteed contracts. They have two decent European Assets that they could bring over without overpaying to buy them out and pay them to come. They have the Bird Rights and right of first refusal for Gordon Hayward, so that if they can swing a deal that puts them close to the Salary Cap, they can match his contract and go over it without hitting the Luxury Tax. They have a new head coach who is very smart and highly regarded for his player developmental skills. And he hired a staff that matches that outlook as well. I'm expecting this to be a year of learning the new system and evaluating the long-term potential for all of this young talent. It's going to be rough at times, but the process is important.

With extended playing time for the young guys AND a better head coach AND a better bench, I don't think there's any way that the Utah Jazz won't make significant improvements in both the quality of play and actual wins. They'll still probably be in the lottery (which should give them yet another quality young player for the bench), but I truly expect them to be more highly regarded league-wide for the progress of individual players and as a team unit. I firmly believe that hey're on their way back up. Will it be enough to contend in the West? Who knows. I like their chances 3 years from now if Exum develops as hoped and if another player breaks out or if they make a move to acquire an All-Star forward.

I think that they're more likely to try to make that move next year, once they've seen how all of the young guys respond to Snyder and who steps up to lead the team moving forward. I firmly believe that this team has a lot of talent that was mismanaged horribly. I think that the front office is being prudent by seeing who fits with their future plans before making any drastic and/or dramatic moves. It's worth struggling for another year to put guys like Kanter, Burks, Burke, Exum, Gobert and Hood out on the court to see exactly what they can and can't do before deciding if they have a place on this team or not.

Good post

 

[NUMBERICA]

As the reigning 4th-worst team in the NBA fighting to keep an average athlete with short arms, a very streaky jump shot, and a bad attitude for anything less than the maximum allowed? Yeah the Jazz are exactly where they want to be right now.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Oh yeah, they're pinning their hopes on a kid that hasn't played much and the Magic passed on in favor of a hopeful super-role player. And they are based in a free agency dead zone.

The Jazz are exactly where they want to be.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Oh yeah, they're pinning their hopes on a kid that hasn't played much and the Magic passed on in favor of a hopeful super-role player. And they are based in a free agency dead zone.

The Jazz are exactly where they want to be.

I wouldn't pin all my negativity off of who any other team does or doesn't pick in the draft. It's such a crapshoot to get the right guy that you can't worry about what other teams do. The Jazz did their scouting, have a better idea than most of what he's capable of and picked the highest player on their board. That's all you can hope for out of your front office.