Bergdahl story
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If Obama had left the guy to rot, those very same people bitching about the swap would be bitching about him leaving Americans behind.
Besides, was congress consulted every time Bush, Clinton, Reagan (was congress consulted before Reagan gave 1500 missiles to Iran?).... FDR.... Lincoln used swaps?
The mere fact that people are complaining about this and acting as if it has "never been done before" screams volumes about the partisanship of our media and congress, not Obama.
Contrary to what am radio and foxnews says, Obama isn't a rogue president by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, he's barely even a democrat. He's a moderate repub.
Actually that is not what it tells me at all.
Look at the whole picture. They way they broke the news and initially had a mini celebration.
To me that says not that they saw it as sketchy but that they don't need congressional approval or even congressional knowledge on anything that they (administration) do. That they are above congress and the law. It also says that there is no possible way that anyone could conceivably disagree with them out of anything other than partisan politics or racism as often decried on every issue by the left.
Edit: @ thriller you have a point. it does point out the hypocrisy on the right. It has happened before. Such as in Vietnam. But excusing this bad behaviour, not following the rules/law, because others didn't is bad behavior. Especially when it is from the President. Do you really want the President using "Well Bush and Clinton did it..." as his defense? I sure don't. Justifying ones own bad behavior by the bad behavior of others is never a good idea/policy/defense.
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Difficult to understand the right:
An American marine (who may or may not have deserted) is somehow a villain...
While a racist welfare rancher who admittedly refused to pay his taxes (and then pulls guns on law enforcement) is somehow a hero.
An American marine (who may or may not have deserted) is somehow a villain...
While a racist welfare rancher who admittedly refused to pay his taxes (and then pulls guns on law enforcement) is somehow a hero.
The swap was discussed as early as 2011.
https://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/03/republican-bergdahl-scandal-falls-white-house-discussed-swap-gop-2011.html
But, well, we believe what we want to.
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Ssshhhh! Stop letting history and facts get in the way of opinion!
What he did or didn't do isn't the question; he was a POW. We got that POW back at a net positive(we no longer have to feed, house, etc 5 detainees). What's so difficult to accept about that?
Distancing ourselves from all things war that should not have occurred? So do I.
I'd still like to see the link that says from a Taliban senior operative that it is open season on Americans. My considerable google skills are falling short
Deaths that Obama brought? he's doing a damn fine job of correcting a trillion dollar albatross that was the war on terror.
Good sense is after a war, getting what soldiers we can back. The war's over, we got our guy back. Will it be open season? We'll see... but I'm not holding my breath.
Found the link
https://time.com/2826442/taliban-kidnappings-bergdahl/
But let me understand this.. the only confirmed person they talked to is Ted Cruz?
Let's say they did talk to a taliban commander. They just admitted that they(TIME magazine) have contacts with terrorist organizations.
... really? I'm the one that's lost my good sense?
https://time.com/2826442/taliban-kidnappings-bergdahl/
But let me understand this.. the only confirmed person they talked to is Ted Cruz?
Let's say they did talk to a taliban commander. They just admitted that they(TIME magazine) have contacts with terrorist organizations.
... really? I'm the one that's lost my good sense?
I agree with you that Obama is "barely even a democrat", but he's a "Moderae repub" if and only if "moderate repubs" are people who are ashamed to be ordinary, principled Americans who follow the law, and take their oath of office, to uphold our Constitution. Obama not only sneers at such a notion, he is damn proud to be doing everything our "progressive"/ "marxist" CFR, UN one-worlders, and international banking elites want.
That's the kind of "moderate repub" George Bush was, but even Bill Clinton seemed to be more of a real democrat, even if he did sell out the Democratic Party to the bankers. Most liberals loved the movie about how a Texas democrat engineered our assistance to Afghanistanis, hell, Hollywood even made a movie about it. And they did the whole movie without showing Ronald Reagan in the decision loop. If you don't believe me, watch it yourself. . . . It's the movie called "Charlie's War".
Obama might be just too stupid to be a rogue anything, but he certainly is too stupid to be our President.
PS. I didn't get it at first. I do remember the Iran-Iraq war. I do know we were a stakeholder in the Iraq buildup, and I do remember we sold 1500 missiles, as well, to Iran. The Iraqis used chemical weapons, we had to do something to "restore balance". This is a perfect example of how our CIA works to set up and manipulate international conflict, building the customer base for our military hardware retailers.
Fact is, we did the same thing to set up WWII.
When our cartelists were set back by Anti-Trust legislation and had to sell off parts of their empires to restore competition on American soil, they found fertile soil in the fascist nations especially Germany and Italy. They took their money and invested there, where cartelism was welcomed and even given a seat at the table of government. That is the meaning of "fascism". Henry Ford loved Hitler and held him up as a fine example. The school rag at Yale extolled Hitler as the cutting edge of progress. The Rockefellers invested in German Pharmaceuticals and chemicals. BBH errand boy Prescott Bush carried money in a brown suitcase just to bankroll Hitler's Reichstag fire and subsequent dismantlement of the legislative branch of German government. Not a whole lot different from Obama today getting up and saying if congress won't do what needs doing, he will.
At the highest levels of our government, we betrayed our own soldiers all the way through WWII. Good generals like Stillwell and Patton who had the practical loyalty to American blood we sidelined while cartelist patsies like Eisenhower were allowed to muddle up the campaigns of the war. Only MacArthur was able to hold his position through to the reconstruction phase, administering Japan's government, and masterfully doing so. But even he was sidelined during the Korean War for his loyalty to American blood over fascist triangulation. . . . .
So here's another "dot", apparently unconnected, unless I make this intolerably long. My brother-in-law, fighting in the Korean War, tells of how US soldiers on the front were betrayed by US Army brass, who were required under the UN war rules, to tell the communists, the Russian generals, of our plans. On one secret and critical battle, our boys marched behind enemy lines to take a position. When they got there, the enemy turned on floodlights all around them and broadcast in English that it was a useless fight, because they had expected them to show up at that exact spot. A lot of American blood was lost that night because American "leaders" betrayed American soldiers.
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Reagan tripled the debt.
Nixon created the EPA.
Eisenhower raised taxes, built the interstate highway system, and cut defense spending.
Hoover began stimulus spending to aid in the recovery from the GD.
Coolidge deregulated Wall Street (Obama hasn't done anything to reign in the craziness there)
Harding had backroom deals and scandals.
Wilson began forming alliances and stuck his nose in Europe's business
Teddy created national monuments, raised taxes to build his white fleet, and began carrying a "big stick" to start possible illegal wars with Spain to expand American power
Hell, you could go as far back as Jefferson (I know he wasn't a Republican). Did he consult with Congress before signing the Louisiana Purchase? Even the writer of the Dec of Independence did something *gasp* questionable!
If you compare Obama to previous Republican Presidents (not counting the last 20-30 years when the GOP has been hijacked by crazies) Obama is actually more comparable to a moderate republican than to a flaming liberal.
Teddy Roosevelt would be considered a Communist by today's GOP standards.
Cut him some slack... we all know Babe leans right and has a serious handicap when it comes to anyone having too much power.
You wouldn't make fun of a guy in a wheel chair, would you?
I don't seriously doubt that TIME and a lot of other Americans have "contacts with terrorist organizations" since the really important ones have been "assets" of our so-called "intelligence" agencies at some point in time. The Americans who helped get 1500 heat-seeking, shoulder-launched "missiles" in the hands of the Taliban and other Afghan groups during "Charlie Wilson's War" are still around, and willing to drop a clue to trusted, that is "team player" media folks. Not only that, but the Obama "Team" including Hillary have been "in the sack" for terrorist organizations from Egypt, to Libya, to Syria. . . . hell everywhere.
Obama has not gotten us out of the war on terror. He has joined it, on the other side.
Our "War on Terror" has been a colossal failure, beginning with George Bush hustling about a hundred and fifty members of Osama Bin Laden's relatives on a plane and getting them out of this country right after 9/11, while our regular air travel was shut down. It has never been anything but a UN policy-enforcement operation for changing foreign governments and putting Americans on watch lists.
That's why, in my view, people who just follow the drive-by newsfeed cannot judge events with "good sense".
In 1974 I read US Army training manuals/exercises which detailed war scenarios just like Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think we should be spending millions let alone trillions on occupying foreign soil under a UN flag or UN administration, or passing out so-called "Constitutions" for the UN management of any nations, anywhere. And I knew from the git-go that a war called a "War on Terrorism" is in fact a "war on noncompliance with elite objectives in civil adminsitration". You can call anyone a terrorist. Bill Clinton's Justice Dept chief claimed fundamentalist Christians the only "terrorists we need to be concerned about", completely pooh-poohing radical Islamists. That was when she sent the tanks in to burn down the little nutjob in Wacko, just a year before OKC.
It's Un-American to pass out bizarre hate-labels and declare war on people who don't "fit the mold" somehow. Our military has been subverted into being an agent of the international banking elites, and that's the real problem.