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jazznik said:
Oh, so you want Jerry Sloan and his brand of scrappy players playing hard and being held responsible for the low effort and defensive lapses? No, you will not get it. You will get more Hardy, who always encouraged careless shooting away of Keyonte and Brice and did not care about winning - and, as a reward, just got a long-term extension. And you will get Ainge, who purposefully traded away every semi-decent defensive player sans Kessler, young and old.
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Actually, this sounds like tanking.
 
fishonjazz said:
Now see, this one would get right past me. I never know which one to use. Struggle with Capitol or Capital as well.
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I used to have to look it up every time, lol.

The only one that really bothers me even a little is the resign vs re-sign since they mean opposite things
 
fishonjazz said:
Now see, this one would get right past me. I never know which one to use. Struggle with Capitol or Capital as well.
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Easiest way to remember is what the word is you’re looking for. Something complementary will complete it, not complite it.

Capitol refers to a building. O for office. Everything else is capital. A for always.

Just made these up.
 
fishonjazz said:
Actually, this sounds like tanking.
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No, this sounds like dumb tanking when you keep enough quality vets to be semi-good and, as a result, have to torpedo the development of young guys to scrape out the losses. The proper tanking means having only a couple of quality role players (like Dunn) who can teach the defense and offense to young guys and making these young guys play hard from day 1. You can check out the OKC roster in 2019-2022 to see how the proper tanking should be done.

Hardy and Ainge have already wasted 2 years of development for Keyonte, Brice and Hendricks with their unique brand of tanking.
 
In chess there is a saying: “The most powerful weapon in Chess is the next move.” With that in mind, it’s nice to see the creativity of some franchises. Most everyone respects what OKC has done. Toronto took a wild swing and won it all in 2019. Steph at one point had a bad ankle, GS bet on him and look what they accomplished. Yes, we failed with Mitchell and Gobert, but at least we tried something kind of novel and it worked regular season, and we couldn’t know it would definitively fail until it did in the playoffs. So even with just picks 5 and 21, let’s see what sort of devious strategy Danny Ainge can deploy.
 
In one of the mock drafts, it has the Jazz taking in the second round a 7 foot Russian center from U of Michigan who apparently has some skills. He sounds like he could be a great addition to Kessler. Regardless the Jazz need to get four talented guys in this draft as part of the blueprint moving forward.
 
I have been thinking about players that are under the age of 25 that are good defenders that they jazz might get in a trade.

I did run a chatgpt and got some interesting ideas. (Not all of the following are from chatgpt)

I like a trade with the rockets

Reed Sheppard is serviceable defensively

Tari eason is a stud but would take a lot to get him.

The problem is they have bigger fish to go after and Markkanen is behind Booker, KD and Giannis.

Jaden Ivey has some defensive potential and might need a change of scenery.

I wonder what it would take to pry Hern Jones away from NOLA.

Patrick Williams is very expensive but Hendricks might be better long term.
 
jazznik said:
It's like, who the young Jazz guards and wings will learn from about playing tough defense? Juzang? Sexton? We have absolutely no one on the team at the 1-3 positions who knows how to play the NBA-level defense.
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Wasn't that supposed to be Springer's role, once he signed last year?
 
The Thunder trading away Giddey who averaged 15/8/7 on 47/38/78 for a player who averaged 7/3/3 on 45/35/82 shooting splits and getting national recognition for winning that trade seems like a nice tipping point for the basketball world realizing the value of defense and elite role players over flawed offensive hubs.
 
Look how Pop's and Sloan's teams played during their good years. Guys that didn't play defense rode pine. I believe Jimmer had a brief stop in San Antonio and was told you don't play defense we have to part ways.
 
Isaiah Collier/Collin Sexton
Tre Johnson/keyonte george
AJ Dybantsa/Cody williams
Lauri Markkanen/hendricks
Walker Kessler/filipowski

This lineup probably will never happen but interesting to see what things could look like in 2 years if hold onto Lauri
 
SoberasHotRod said:
The Thunder trading away Giddey who averaged 15/8/7 on 47/38/78 for a player who averaged 7/3/3 on 45/35/82 shooting splits and getting national recognition for winning that trade seems like a nice tipping point for the basketball world realizing the value of defense and elite role players over flawed offensive hubs.
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I'm not sure that this isn't a win/win trade, or at least a lot closer than we may think. I don't think the Bulls feel bad about the swap. Fit is perhaps better on both sides. Giddey may still end up providing more long-term value.
 
idiot said:
Wasn't that supposed to be Springer's role, once he signed last year?
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No. Springer played just a handful of games over several NBA seasons, 5 MPG for Boston this season and 7MPG the season before. He mostly played garbage minutes throughout his NBA career and because of that has no meaningful experience of playing in the games that matter and with players who matter.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I think we really need a center that can dribble. I'm pretty sure the next innovation in NBA defenses is going to be just sending two guys at the ball handler when the center is setting the pick and can't dribble. You need your center to be able to dribble to the paint in that situation. Kessler is not that guy so I feel weird about him long-term, but we don't have easy replacements either. But this is a player type we need to look out for in the draft.
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Agreed.

I know people don’t give two ***** about you around here but this is a GREAT point.
 
How do we turn the franchise around? Draft better. Easier said than done, but some teams just do it better regardless of their position. Hire better brains or listen closer to the brains we have... whatever we need to do.
 
Also, I think drafting well has a lot to do with how you develop the guys you draft. Some teams develop under a coach and style better than others. It seems like OKC said, the cheapest points in the league come from turnovers so let's invest in a system that creates a lot of turnovers. Then they executed on it.
 
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