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Bring in Karl Malone!

He said on ESPN last night he will help coach the Jazz if they want him to. He said he is always available. He would teach major toughness, defense and some post moves for the bigs. Don't we have to fill 2 assistant coaching jobs?
 
I think he was talking about being a head coach not an assistant.

If you can teach motivation and drive, I'd say hire him in a second. Sadly, his greatest attributes skills are non-transferable.

The Jazz haven't called him for a reason which probably boils down to the FO saying "Karl you can't score 27 points and grab 12 rebounds a night anymore so there's really no reason to put up with your crap"

Nice idea, but he'll probably alienate two-thirds of the team and then quit when they don't respond to him
 
Part-time coach and consultant. Anymore involvement with the team and you're asking for problems.
 
Deron (presumably) hated Sloan. Deron would despise Malone.

Mainly, Malone would probably always be on Deron's case to try to tough him up (and maybe a little revenge for what happened with Sloan) and there is no way Deron's psyche could handle Malone's unusual honesty.

But I agree, part time coach for the bigs would be a good fit.
 
Deron (presumably) hated Sloan. Deron would despise Malone.

Mainly, Malone would probably always be on Deron's case to try to tough him up (and maybe a little revenge for what happened with Sloan) and there is no way Deron's psyche could handle Malone's unusual honesty.

But I agree, part time coach for the bigs would be a good fit.

I suspect that many Deron fans can't handle the brutal honesty Malone dished out last night.

That defense from Kobe is becoming more and more appropriate in defining not only Deron's behavior, but also the collective mindset of so many on this board. There's nothing quite as ridiculous as a Kobe Bryant fan that tries to confuse, conflate and subsume everything 'Lakers' with Kobe's whims.

But then, I think I'm just describing Jazz management at this point.
 
First order of business would be to trade Deron, because he's going to LeBron anyway. Second order of business would be to get Jeff Hornacek onboard, and have he and Karl go to Greg's office and inform Greg that there will be no player revolts tolerated. None. If Greg can't back Horney and Mail on this, then it's a no-go. Assuming Greg says OK, fine, we take the squad as-is, and slowly figure out who the workers are. Reward the workers with the minutes, regardless of talent. Guys who don't work and don't get the team cohesion, don't play. Malcontents who begin yapping in the locker room? Waive them. Go to the D-League if necessary.
 
Malone would bring an old-school culture shock that the players on this team (outside of Paul Millsap, Earl Watson, Ronnie Price and possibly the rookies) couldn't handle.

For all of the talk on Jerry's inability to adapt - the 04-05/05-06 seasons where quite a few players quit on him during the year made him realize he couldn't constantly ride a player for his faults (i.e. poor defense). He wasn't quite as tough on his own players afterward - because he realized in this decade players were much sooner to quit on him than to get motivated and keep fighting.

Malone hasn't experienced that just yet - and it's sad but true that if he rides in thinking he can change it - he's greatly mistaken. Phil Johnson loves the teaching aspect of coaching more than anything - but he also understands not everyone wants to learn. I think if Malone deals with some of the players who don't want to hear what he's saying - that's confrontation-city waiting to happen - and at this point I doubt management/ownership would back him up. Maybe if LHM were still owner, I'd say - get Malone and Horny as much bench experience as possible for couple of seasons - then turn it over to them with unwavering support from ownership - which in addition to their credibility as players and in the community - would give them the power to force players to adapt to an "old-school" approach. W/Greg, I don't see that happening.

At this point, I think the best bet is to hope Ty's the man, that his ability to relate to today's players will be enough, and that he'll have the toughness to make it clear he's running the team - and not the players.
 
Maybe if LHM were still owner, I'd say - get Malone and Horny as much bench experience as possible for couple of seasons - then turn it over to them with unwavering support from ownership - which in addition to their credibility as players and in the community - would give them the power to force players to adapt to an "old-school" approach. W/Greg, I don't see that happening.

As time goes on I'm more inclined to believe that Greggy can care less about basketball. In fact deep down he probably hates it; considering Daddy spent all those nights at Jazz games instead of at home admiring his elbow macaroni paintings.

I'll continue to be hopeful and watch this team; but there is definitely a darkness at the top of the stairs in this franchise which makes me think they may very well be living on borrowed time as far as being a quality basketball team is concerned.
 
As much as I want Karl to be on the bench, I think his presence could serve to undermine or overshadow Coach Corbin. I think if we hired him as a special assistant to work with players in practice and behind the scenes, and occaisionally spout out to the media about who isn't doing their job among the players, it would be a perfect fit. I say make it happen. WT Eff do we have to lose at this point? Now that our rock is gone, we need another. Otherwise, I see this franchise beginning an inevitable downward spiral to sub-mediocrity, irrelevance, and eventually, relocation.

Someone said in the game thread that that was the first time they have ever had an emotional disconnect with the Utah Jazz. I couldn't agree more. So much has changed in the last few days that it seems like the Utah Jazz we've all come to love and root for are gone forever - truly as if a part of us had died. God I hope I'm wrong.
 
And you're a Deron defender, right?

Unbelievable.

Malone's never been great with others that weren't of his relentless work-ethic or talent. He's been downright alienating, but I don't think he has the genius or the tact that Jerry's had. Or the humility. I believe Jerry at least tried to strike a balance as it became clear how much more sensitive players had become, I don't think Malone has the patience or resolve in that regard and his interviews did nothing but fortify that view.

I love the guy, but I don't think coaching is for him. At least not at the NBA level.

And I'm a Jazz fan. I try not to speak in adversarial-ese.
 
First order of business would be to trade Deron, because he's going to LeBron anyway. Second order of business would be to get Jeff Hornacek onboard, and have he and Karl go to Greg's office and inform Greg that there will be no player revolts tolerated. None. If Greg can't back Horney and Mail on this, then it's a no-go. Assuming Greg says OK, fine, we take the squad as-is, and slowly figure out who the workers are. Reward the workers with the minutes, regardless of talent. Guys who don't work and don't get the team cohesion, don't play. Malcontents who begin yapping in the locker room? Waive them. Go to the D-League if necessary.
Wait, that sounds like Sloan's mentality. IF Greg and KOC were willing to do that, Jerry wouldn't have left. Sloan has worked with lesser talent and gotten 40 wins out of them. When players revolted (Arroyo, Snyder, Giri, etc.) they were benched and then traded. There was a mini revolt under Mark Jackson, and the team was purged during the off-season.

I really believe this team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. I'd keep Millsap, Hayward and Evans; those three guys will work hard and can be good bench contributors. But I'd look to trade Deron for two starting-caliber players. Then I'd look to trade Jefferson; he's not a game changer and doesn't have the BB IQ to run complex plays. I'd try to split AK's contract in a trade to get a starter at $8M and the rest in expirings. Then you don't lose that contract for nothing in return.
 
Malone's never been great with others that weren't of his relentless work-ethic or talent. He's been downright alienating, but I don't think he has the genius or the tact that Jerry's had. Or the humility. I believe Jerry at least tried to strike a balance as it became clear how much more sensitive players had become, I don't think Malone has the patience or resolve in that regard and his interviews did nothing but fortify that view.

I love the guy, but I don't think coaching is for him. At least not at the NBA level.

And I'm a Jazz fan. I try not to speak in adversarial-ese.

You see, I would love to see Malone as a coach. He would not only light a fire under the butt of some of the players, but he would DEMAND they work as hard as he did. And boy did that guy work.
 
I would love Karl Malone to work with Paul Millsap and Al jefferson and other bigs. But we already have a head coach, Karl.
 
As time goes on I'm more inclined to believe that Greggy can care less about basketball. In fact deep down he probably hates it; considering Daddy spent all those nights at Jazz games instead of at home admiring his elbow macaroni paintings.

I'll continue to be hopeful and watch this team; but there is definitely a darkness at the top of the stairs in this franchise which makes me think they may very well be living on borrowed time as far as being a quality basketball team is concerned.

Do the people who know you best call you cynical?
 
Do the people who know you best call you cynical?

No, they call me candrew.

But seriously, there are two owners in the NBA that were born into their position - James Dolan in NYC and Greg Miller. The former has made a mockery of one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world.

They're both the mediocre offspring of exceptional men. The difference between the two is that one has been surrounded by smart basketball men and one has not. Greg Miller just lost two smart basketball men.
 
No, they call me candrew.

But seriously, there are two owners in the NBA that were born into their position - James Dolan in NYC and Greg Miller. The former has made a mockery of one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world.

They're both the mediocre offspring of exceptional men. The difference between the two is that one has been surrounded by smart basketball men and one has not. Greg Miller just lost two smart basketball men.

Exactly. Greatness skips a generation. Jerry Sloan and Phil Johnson should have been forced to stay with guns to their heads, until Greg's first born is old enough to take over.
 
Just because you were a great player does'nt mean you'll be a decent coach. I cannot even imagine Malone as a coach. Others maybe, him... don't see it.
 
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