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Burks&Kanter vs. Favors&Hayward

vslice02

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Burks and Kanter have both shown promise and flashes of brilliance in limited minutes. Seeing two promising rookies with seemingly unlimited potential - feels an awful lot like like Gordon Hayward and Derrick Favors at the end of their rookie seasons last year.

-Just for fun-
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?7516-How-many-points-Hayward-will-average-this-season
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?6249-Let-me-do-a-FAVORs-and-do-a-non-draft-thread

Fastforward to now - midway through their 2nd seasons Hayward is struggling and relegated to the bench while Favor has been terrific defensively and shown some flashes but he's still a major work in progress at the offensive end.

As fans, it's easy to fall into a trap where because a player's a rookie - mentally you overlook the negatives because you instantly rationalize in your mind 'Hey it's okay he's just a rookie - he'll learn and get better.' while weighing more heavily the positives because in alot of ways you have no idea what he's capable of doing on the court. While it's true players can improve by leaps and bounds in their late teens and early 20's, it's also easy to incorrectly assume that progression will be both automatic and exponential. For some that significant leap may not happen until year 3, and for others it may not happen at all.

The Jazz started the 2002-03 season with Andrei Kirilenko and DeShawn Stevenson in the starting lineup - and both the team and Andrei struggled until Sloan replaced AK and DeShawn with veterans in Harpring and Calbert Cheaney. The Jazz instantly became a better team, and AK played much better and finished in the top-3 in 6th-man voting. The following year, AK made the leap from "promising role player" to NBA All-Star.

The point is, the promise we see from Burks and Kanter now - doesn't mean they'll morph into above average starters by next season and it doesn't mean Hayward and Favors still won't become the Jeff Hornacek-lite SG and Jermaine O'Neal-caliber bigman we compared them to in the offseason.

A young players' development will suprise or disappoint you - but you will never know how it's going to progress until you actually see it. I think it's important we keep our hopes high for Hayward and Favors and our expectations realistic on Burks and Kanter.
 
As fans, it's easy to fall into a trap where because a player's a rookie - mentally you overlook the negatives because you instantly rationalize in your mind 'Hey it's okay he's just a rookie - he'll learn and get better.' while weighing more heavily the positives because in alot of ways you have no idea what he's capable of doing on the court.

LOL - which message board does this happen at? Sure ain't happening here.

Good post though
 
I am a big fan of all 4. However if I had to choose I would go Kanter/Burks. I like them more and more as the season progresses
 
Think you missed where he said, "IF I had to choose." Just a hypothetical situation .. message board stuff, ya know?
 
Luckily, we don't.

FWIW, I think Favors is further along in his development than what we're seeing. He just doesn't get the minutes to display it.

On that same thought, we post him up more than we use him in the pick n' roll, when it should be the reverse.

He also doesn't have a PG that is making him better. And although I've been on Team Rivers, I really do like the idea of a passer like Marshall consistently making things easier for our young bigs. They could honestly use a passer like him to quicken their development.
 
On that same thought, we post him up more than we use him in the pick n' roll, when it should be the reverse.

He also doesn't have a PG that is making him better. And although I've been on Team Rivers, I really do like the idea of a passer like Marshall consistently making things easier for our young bigs. They could honestly use a passer like him to quicken their development.

And that's one reason why I'm Team Marshall
 
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Good post. The quality I see in Burks that I didn't/don't see in Hayward is that he is fearless and not afraid to make mistakes. I think that goes a long way towards making him a better player. It's also worth noting that it took Hayward until the end of the season last year to show flashes of his potential. Burks pretty much from day one has looked legit.
As for Kanter, the fact that he hadn't even played organized basketball for over a year and already is a dominant rebounders really impressive to me. I'm starting to see flashes of his post game/footwork too.
 
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