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Can now understand why Deron was so pissed

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write4u

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After the dismantling of the Jazz in the offseason and the final decimation that has taken place, I think it's easy to understand why Deron was so pissed at Utah management. While he and Jerry didn't always see eye-to-eye, I think he was actually seething underneath about the Jazz letting RB, Korver, and Matthews (who has become a borderline all-star) go in favor of Raja, who is clearly washed up, and Hayward (remember how he took his frustration out on Hayward early in the season?) Most of us agree the exchange of AJ and Boozer was a wash, at least in the short run, though. When Okur was unable to come back, it exacerbated an already worsening situation.

Getting rid of a disgruntled Deron pretty much blew us up ... add on the loss of Jerry and the injuries, no way we finish over .500. More likely we go on a long losing streak. Of course, I'm not saying anything most of us already don't know, just putting it down. Just have to look forward to the draft and the off-season. What do we do now with AK, Okur, Fes, Price, Elson, Raja ... all are expendable -- I would keep CJ; he's still young and think he has potential. I would keep Watson, who is a good backup.
 
Solid post.

I think the jazz would have been a great team had only Boozer been sent away. Or at least if the jazz had obtained a reliable outside shooter. But the front office bet that miles would be able to fit that roll. They essentially rolled the dice on a hack player that really had shown nothing up to that point.

Oh well. Even with Harris we are still in the same boat if not worse. No outside shooting which completely wrecks havoc on our offense. Completely.
 
Agreed and repped. I really think they planned this all along. Maybe it didn't go down exactly as planned, but I am about 85% convinced they planned for the rebuild from last summer. Why else would they do nothing to build any kind of team around Deron and let 4/5 of a good team just walk away for virtually nothing. Either they are simply morons or they had already planned to cut their losses with Deron possibly moving on so they made moves to set themselves up to rebuild. Either way it is pretty ******. I just hope this rebuild is more effective than the rebuild that brought us Deron, Memo, and Boozer, et al.
 
I'm not sure paying millions in LT is doing nothing.

If this franchise really wasn't trying/didn't care, why would they spend so much money? Why not go into Clippers save money mode? They easily could have let Memo walk, Boozer go for nothing, traded AK for nothing, not matched CJ, not matched Millsap, traded away the #9 pick, not given Evans a contract, etc.
 
In regards to Cj how long does it take for potential to become fluff? Potential is why I defended Cj to friends and family for three years I waited for him to make me look like a genius. It only made me look dumb. I like the rest of the post though
 
Obviously coming into the season you did have DWill, Miles, and Bell, and then okur by now who were supposed to provide the outside shooting. Seemed pretty reasonable that this group should be able to the ball. Just did not happen.
 
write4u said:
After the dismantling of the Jazz in the offseason and the final decimation that has taken place, I think it's easy to understand why Deron was so pissed at Utah management. While he and Jerry didn't always see eye-to-eye, I think he was actually seething underneath about the Jazz letting RB, Korver, and Matthews (who has become a borderline all-star) go in favor of Raja, who is clearly washed up, and Hayward (remember how he took his frustration out on Hayward early in the season?) Most of us agree the exchange of AJ and Boozer was a wash, at least in the short run, though. When Okur was unable to come back, it exacerbated an already worsening situation.

Getting rid of a disgruntled Deron pretty much blew us up ... add on the loss of Jerry and the injuries, no way we finish over .500. More likely we go on a long losing streak. Of course, I'm not saying anything most of us already don't know, just putting it down. Just have to look forward to the draft and the off-season. What do we do now with AK, Okur, Fes, Price, Elson, Raja ... all are expendable -- I would keep CJ; he's still young and think he has potential. I would keep Watson, who is a good backup.
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An otherwise great post tarnished by that garbage right there about Miles. What's worse is you using the same old hackneyed and typical justification CJ proponents have been using for years. Hard to believe you using 'potential' and 'young' even after his performance this season.
 
What's the record for most threads started in the same day by the same person about the same subject?
 
Once heard a guy say that it's a bad thing when some one tells you that you have potential. Basically explained that when some one tells you that, you aren't living up to what you're expected to do. Glad CJ has had so many years to get to his, "potential."
 
NUMBERICA said:
What's the record for most threads started in the same day by the same person about the same subject?
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This board is absolutely out of control! Every damn thread is about the same thing or about something that happened three-four weeks ago. I mean 90 people are in this forum right now and about 80 of them are starting a new CJ/RAJA/SLOAN/DWILL thread that goes over the same freakin thing. Does anyone care that Derick Favors and Hayward had great games last night? Nope. So dumb.
 
write4u said:
After the dismantling of the Jazz in the offseason and the final decimation that has taken place, I think it's easy to understand why Deron was so pissed at Utah management. While he and Jerry didn't always see eye-to-eye, I think he was actually seething underneath about the Jazz letting RB, Korver, and Matthews (who has become a borderline all-star) go in favor of Raja, who is clearly washed up, and Hayward (remember how he took his frustration out on Hayward early in the season?) Most of us agree the exchange of AJ and Boozer was a wash, at least in the short run, though. When Okur was unable to come back, it exacerbated an already worsening situation.

Getting rid of a disgruntled Deron pretty much blew us up ... add on the loss of Jerry and the injuries, no way we finish over .500. More likely we go on a long losing streak. Of course, I'm not saying anything most of us already don't know, just putting it down. Just have to look forward to the draft and the off-season. What do we do now with AK, Okur, Fes, Price, Elson, Raja ... all are expendable -- I would keep CJ; he's still young and think he has potential. I would keep Watson, who is a good backup.
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First off, the final decimation you refer to took Deron off the team, so why does it matter he is pissed off? Deron didn't like boozer, he was happy to get Jefferson, and he didn't like Sloan. Everything we did catered to him. Also, Matthews a border all-star? Are you an idiot? As for a losing streak, we were on a losing streak with Deron, so that's really not a surprise we are going to continue after losing our star player. And finally, do you really think getting rid of half the team after just losing our head coach and star player would be a wise move? That happened last summer, and look where we are now. A bunch of scrubs with no chemistry. Teams build up by getting pieces over time. Look how long it took the Lakers? And even though Miami got three stars, it's going to take them at least another year or two before they are an actual contender.

How does anyone think this is a good post?
 
write4u said:
After the dismantling of the Jazz in the offseason and the final decimation that has taken place, I think it's easy to understand why Deron was so pissed at Utah management. While he and Jerry didn't always see eye-to-eye, I think he was actually seething underneath about the Jazz letting RB, Korver, and Matthews (who has become a borderline all-star) go in favor of Raja, who is clearly washed up, and Hayward (remember how he took his frustration out on Hayward early in the season?) Most of us agree the exchange of AJ and Boozer was a wash, at least in the short run, though. When Okur was unable to come back, it exacerbated an already worsening situation.

Getting rid of a disgruntled Deron pretty much blew us up ... add on the loss of Jerry and the injuries, no way we finish over .500. More likely we go on a long losing streak. Of course, I'm not saying anything most of us already don't know, just putting it down. Just have to look forward to the draft and the off-season. What do we do now with AK, Okur, Fes, Price, Elson, Raja ... all are expendable -- I would keep CJ; he's still young and think he has potential. I would keep Watson, who is a good backup.
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You missed a point about Memo's contract and injury that no one could have possible seen or known, guy. Contracts are gambles a lot of the time, Memo's and AK's panned out pretty ****ing terrible.
 
Archie Moses said:
You missed a point about Memo's contract and injury that no one could have possible seen or known, guy. Contracts are gambles a lot of the time, Memo's and AK's panned out pretty ****ing terrible.
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This is true. Memo playing at the level he was last season would have changed our outlook.

I really love how people go back with perfect clarity of hindsight and say "what a bunch of freaking morons that front office is, look how that turned out, how stupid could anyone have been to sign that guy". At the time Memo's contract may have been somewhat large, but for what he could do as a true center you cannot replace with just anybody. He would have commanded that kind of money in the open market and you see where we are without someone like him. If we let him go and brought someone in to replace him, we would have very likely paid that much or more, and maybe they would have gotten injured. Then we would have people saying "what a bunch of freaking morons that front office is, look how that turned out, how stupid could anyone have been to sign that guy".

Please.
 
True, Memo factored in, naturally, but since Horny retired we've been looking for a SG, and what happens, we find a gem in the rough, Matthews, and we let him go ... sure it was a fiscal decision but a dumb one. Others have pointed out that there were ways we could've cut costs to keep him, plus we probably could've gotten him on the cheap if you believe what Matthews said afterwards ... KOC played poker with Matthews and his bluff didn't work. It was just plain stupid.
 
For some reason, I miss the write4u Deron sucks threads.

Maybe it's cuz write4u is posting in New Jersey.

They just won tonight without Deron. I'm hoping write4u will come back and start posting here again. We need to win a few without Deron.
 
Yes, I had issues with Deron. I don't know what kind of problems he was causing internally. But I think that mismanagement led to the conflict between Jerry and Deron. Like him or not, Deron was by far our best player ... you just don't go and trade your best player without a major decline in your team. Maybe in the long run it will be for the best. It remains to be seen.
 
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