Can the Paul Millsap experiment please end?

[LogGrad98]

Sap is the kind of role player every team needs and every coach dearly covets. The role player who brings it every night and will now and then throw down on the opponent like there's no tomorrow. But in the end, he is still a role player. I like Millsap for what he brings every game, but I in no way expect him to be our new all-star. If he goes that route, then I will be ecstatic, but I am not expecting it and I don't think he needs to be that kind of player to help us.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Exactly a starter should be consistent each night not a bench player. Cj is our best player off the bench yet there is still a hate thread of him. why not a watson hate thread or fez etc? Just rediculous.

i just made thias thread cus im sick and tired of the cj version of the thread. but apparantly paul is allowed to have a few bad games while cj is not

 

[candrew]

To me it's all about decision making - Millsap plays within himself. He doesn't take bad shots, he doesn't make bad passes, he doesn't play out of position on defense. He has obviously bought into the Jazz system. Yeah, sometimes he has bad games; but so what - the guy is a rock.

CJ 's decision making; especially his shot selection continues to be shaky. His FG% has hovered around 38-40% all season while taking over 10 shots a game. In this offense, for a guy who is supposed to be "a shooter"; that sucks; plain and simple.

He has gotten better but in past seasons I would absolutely dread watching him come on the court, miss his first couple of shots, lose his confidence and then pout the rest of the game while making no contribution. Now he can have a bad shooting game and still rebound, make a couple good passes and play OK defense.

 

[Surely]

Shooting a good % and being pretty consistent was an argument in "defense" of Boozer.

Even if a player is giving 100%, if he's hurting the team, his minutes should be trimmed.

Less relevant tonight (heck, at least the Jazz won), but neither Millsap's effort nor his effectiveness was up to par against the Mavericks. And sufficient adjustment was not made.

For the love of small children around the world, please never put the words "defense" and "Boozer" in the same sentence no matter the context.

 

[vslice02]

After averaging 21 and 9 to start the season, over the past 13 games Millsap's averaging just 14.4 pts and 7.4 rebounds. The key thing is he's still shooting 50% during that stretch, so the decline in scoring largely due to his FG attempts. You could argue that's because Jefferson's role has increased in the offense, but Al's FG attempts - and scoring - have actually stayed exactly the same during the 2stretchs (14.4 vs. 14.5 FG Att, 16.6 ppg vs. 16.6 ppg)

IMO, teams are just more aware of Millsap and are adjusting their defenses to him and his improved offensive game. PF's are pressuring him knowing his go-to move is now that step-back jumper from the wing. Instead of getting open 15-footers on screen-roll he's getting 18-footers out top. They're putting a body on him on the boards and not letting him sneak out in transition (like the game in OKC).

The one dissapointing thing is when he gets the ball inside lately he's been playing like a 6-6 player instead of a 6-8 one. Against Dallas and again last night he had an easy layup, but he pump-faked for some reason and allowed the defense to recover to force a miss. Jazz were up 5 against the Mavs and then went on a mini run to close the half with momentum - as after the miss Paul never ran back on defense and Dirk got a layup and a 3-point play.

With Millsap struggling with his offense, he just needs to start crashing the offensive boards hard like he did his first 3 seasons in the league. The past 2 years his O-Reb rate has sharply declined (as he's improved his jumpshot) but he needs to go back to doing what he does best in rebounding and getting some easy baskets to get into the flow of the game.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Because Millsap is great and CJ is a Clown. You really think CJ the clumsy clown compares to Millsap? More than absurd.

You live in Nephi, you can't talk smack on anyone.

 

[VINYLONE]

Im not sure what is wrong with Millstat. I just hope he gets back to playing his type of ball.

 

[LunaticWolf]

over the past 13 games Millsap's averaging just 14.4 pts and 7.4 rebounds

This is about what I expected him to average this season. My guess is that he just got off to a great start to the season.

Scoring 46 definitely inflated his scoring average though

 

[DutchJazzer]

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CJ 's decision making; especially his shot selection continues to be shaky. His FG% has hovered around 38-40% all season while taking over 10 shots a game. In this offense, for a guy who is supposed to be "a shooter"; that sucks; plain and simple.

He has gotten better but in past seasons I would absolutely dread watching him come on the court, miss his first couple of shots, lose his confidence and then pout the rest of the game while making no contribution. Now he can have a bad shooting game and still rebound, make a couple good passes and play OK defense.

so you save this message and repost iot a few times. i could swear i read this already on the old forum, or it could just be deja vu

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Yea,

Millsap sucks.
I'm sure there was a better player we could have drafted at 47 back then. I always said, we should have taken Yotam Halperin... he has really developed.
Why can't he shoot better than 50%, his shot selection is suspect, and who pump fakes?
Pump fakes are for weenies.
I would think he would do better after all the time he has had to develop.
He led the NCAA's in rebounding for 3 years....When is he going to lead the NBA in rebounding? Did he forget how?
I wish Rainhut's cousin would log in and devote all waking hours to his ruin.
I hate Pal Millscrub.

The End

 

[Hopper]

Yea,

Millsap sucks.
I'm sure there was a better player we could have drafted at 47 back then. I always said, we should have taken Yotam Halperin... he has really developed.
Why can't he shoot better than 50%, his shot selection is suspect, and who pump fakes?
Pump fakes are for weenies.
I would think he would do better after all the time he has had to develop.
He led the NCAA's in rebounding for 3 years....When is he going to lead the NBA in rebounding? Did he forget how?
I wish Rainhut's cousin would log in and devote all waking hours to his ruin.
I hate Pal Millscrub.

The End

Spazz, yo becomin one of my favorite posters round this here joint, ya know?

 

[Jazz4ever]

Dallas (and San Antonio and Phoenix and probably Golden State and the Clippers, despite not beating the Jazz) argue differently.

Oh, and so does the scoring of the player he's guarding, good for third WORST on the team, at 19.1 points per 48 minutes--behind only Evans and Hayward (who are playing on such low minutes that they can pull ahead of PM with just a few future cameos).
https://www.82games.com/1011/1011UTA.HTM


Even among the starting lineup, AJ has started to distinguish himself as a more convincing defender--just like the center should.

Effort does not necessarily equal defense. And while Millsap has been a huge plus at times, he hasn't even brought the former--much less the latter--at other times.

It's tough to do all the time with a 4- to 6-inch length disadvantage on some nights.
[That's what she said.]

You don't want to use 82games matchup stats, they are generic and inaccurate. Switches happen all the time in real game situations, not to mention fast break points where Millsap is never in position to guard his man. The only player that I would say abused him one on one was Griffin, but that guy is a beast and Millsap had never played him before so will cut him some slack.

Also, yes Al is getting better, but doesn't have the instincts (charge taking), toughness, or rotation ability of Millsap. He is limited in that regard the same way Millsap is limited in height.