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Can we play Favors at Center and Kanter at PF?

Can we play Favors at Center and Kanter at PF?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 81.5%

  • No

    Votes: 5 18.5%
  • Total voters
    27
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Ok I admit I'm a tennis fan.. and as I wait for Nadal vs Murray to begin I have this question:

Can we play Favors at Center and Kanter at PF?

On the face of it, you may think that they're both more suited to play PF. But when you look closer it may be possible. Take a look at this table:

https://www.photoshop.com/users/psinaptic_apotheosis/assets/6a62061005da443caee20bbd33ec14c1

Original article:

https://www.slcdunk.com/2011/5/29/2196084/the-long-short-exhaustive-analysis-of-predraft-camp-measurements-2000

Under the "Standing Reach" column, you can see that Favors is right up there with Jefferson, Kaman, Bogut, etc. Not good, but not bad in my opinion. He's better than Chandler, Aldridge, Stoudemire, Collison, Horford and Noah!

I think Favors' standing reach is sufficient for a Center. Moreover he's athletic enough and can jump out of a gym.

What do you guys think?

Discuss.
 
favors can defend Cs as good as PFs, he has the build of a C but quickness of a PF. i think he will simply defend the the opponent's best big man in the future.
 
Legatus said:
favors can defend Cs as good as PFs, he has the build of a C but quickness of a PF. i think he will simply defend the the opponent's best big man in the future.
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Yes agreed.

All the talk about how we shouldn't draft Kanter because we need a shot blocking Center. Well we already have a budding shot blocking Center in Favors.

He's already thriving in defense - let him play defense.

Kanter to me seems to have all the tools to really become an offensive force with his inside/outside game. Give him 2 years developing his game behind Big Al. Look at Dallas - they basically have a solid front court core of Chandler & Dirk. Together with a decent but ageing PG, undersized SG, a SF who can't shoot, and they're good enough to reach the Finals.

Not to get carried away, all I'm saying is we need a solid front court combo and you can do a lot worse than Favors & Kanter.
 
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Hotttnickkk said:
Ok I admit I'm a tennis fan.. and as I wait for Nadal vs Murray to begin I have this question:

Can we play Favors at Center and Kanter at PF?

On the face of it, you may think that they're both more suited to play PF. But when you look closer it may be possible. Take a look at this table:

https://www.photoshop.com/users/psinaptic_apotheosis/assets/6a62061005da443caee20bbd33ec14c1

Original article:

https://www.slcdunk.com/2011/5/29/2...e-analysis-of-predraft-camp-measurements-2000

Under the "Standing Reach" column, you can see that Favors is right up there with Jefferson, Kaman, Bogut, etc. Not good, but not bad in my opinion. He's better than Chandler, Aldridge, Stoudemire, Collison, Horford and Noah!

I think Favors' standing reach is sufficient for a Center. Moreover he's athletic enough and can jump out of a gym.

What do you guys think?

Discuss.
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I stated before that if the Jazz draft Kanter their plan should be to move Favors to center and trade Jefferson. Kanter is not the defensive center the Jazz need. Favors is almost exactly the size of Dwight Howard, except he needs to hit the weights for a couple of years.
 
jazzrule said:
I stated before that if the Jazz draft Kanter their plan should be to move Favors to center and trade Jefferson. Kanter is not the defensive center the Jazz need. Favors is almost exactly the size of Dwight Howard, except he needs to hit the weights for a couple of years.
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Yeah I was surprised to see that. I agree with you. Favors doesn't have to be good at everything. If he can thrive in defense and is OK on offense (knock down the occasional jumper & can finish at the rim) - why not? Work with it.
 
Absolutely no reason Favors can't play C. Today's big men who can guard both the PF and C positions make a team's defense that much better. Also, there's no reason to trade Al Jefferson either, even if we draft Kanter. Having a solid 3-man rotation at C and PF would give us an inside scoring presence for 48 minutes. If we do draft Kanter, Elson and Fes would likely be gone...
 
NotDeadYet said:
Absolutely no reason Favors can't play C. Today's big men who can guard both the PF and C positions make a team's defense that much better. Also, there's no reason to trade Al Jefferson either, even if we draft Kanter. Having a solid 3-man rotation at C and PF would give us an inside scoring presence for 48 minutes. If we do draft Kanter, Elson and Fes would likely be gone...
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I think holding onto Jefferson under this scenario would be a problem. First of all, I think Jefferson is a starter in the NBA. He's not like a Milsap where he's going to come off the bench and give you instant energy in short spurts. He's a long-haul, grind it out type of player who tries to wear you down in the post as the game goes on. He's just not suited to come off the bench IMO.

That leaves the option of either bringing Favors or Kanter off the bench which I also think you cannot do. While Favors may not be a starter right this second, KOC certainly didn't trade D-Will just so we could bring him off the bench. And the 2nd part of that D-Will trade would be Kanter. You don't draft a guy with the #3 overall pick with the idea of making him a long term rotation player. He needs to be a starter, period.
 
You put both of them on the floor and let the match-up dictate who guards whom. Sometimes we get a little fixated on what things look like on paper.
 
Does anyone think that KOC would trade up to #2 in order to solidify getting Kanter? Seems like some people have soured a little bit on Williams, which could be a result of Locke's scouting report - who by the way I think is a 'tard when it comes to scouting. I haven't soured on him, but I do have Kanter ahead of him on my board. I'm not going to sit here and say that Kanter will by far have a better career than Williams or that Kanter is even a "for-sure" thing, but I do think that if he is all he's cracked up to be, it would be tough to miss out on him when we're this close as players with his size, shooting, youth/potential don't come around too often.
 
jazzman12 said:
I think holding onto Jefferson under this scenario would be a problem. First of all, I think Jefferson is a starter in the NBA. He's not like a Milsap where he's going to come off the bench and give you instant energy in short spurts. He's a long-haul, grind it out type of player who tries to wear you down in the post as the game goes on. He's just not suited to come off the bench IMO.

That leaves the option of either bringing Favors or Kanter off the bench which I also think you cannot do. While Favors may not be a starter right this second, KOC certainly didn't trade D-Will just so we could bring him off the bench. And the 2nd part of that D-Will trade would be Kanter. You don't draft a guy with the #3 overall pick with the idea of making him a long term rotation player. He needs to be a starter, period.
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My point exactly.
 
Can we is different than should we. We will only know until both of them show they are capable of playing defense. Yes Favors has shown flashes, but he is still extremely foul prone and raw. We really have no idea how good/bad Kanter is on defense at this point.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Can we is different than should we. We will only know until both of them show they are capable of playing defense. Yes Favors has shown flashes, but he is still extremely foul prone and raw. We really have no idea how good/bad Kanter is on defense at this point.
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but we do know that millsap and jefferson are average at best defensively.
 
I would have to watch the kid play but reading some of Kanters problems he can't keep up with the big boys in the league. My guess is your looking at okur with a better back to the basket. I thought favors and big al did very well together on the court playing d. Jazz have not lost a game with favors as the starter and no matter who we get favors needs to start. I want to see a actual game on kanter because why people are so high on him is funny. Give me a game to watch him to play and i might get on board. I also worry about his health as well as some reporters are saying about his legs. I trust the jazz in picking who ever but for now I am going to say no because I need to watch the kid. But i don't see him doing any better then what we have unless he can push people off for rebounds and run the court.
 
A starting lineup of Kanter/Favors leaves us with no scoring. Kanter will be fine coming off the bench for a year or two. Trade sap before Al, IMO..not even close.
 
Scorpjazz said:
A starting lineup of Kanter/Favors leaves us with no scoring. Kanter will be fine coming off the bench for a year or two. Trade sap before Al, IMO..not even close.
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You mean that it would leave us with no scoring next year and not in a few years right?
 
I think Kanter will be able to score and will get to the line a lot in the NBA. I'm predicting he'll be like a slightly slower, bulkier Rony Seikaly.

Realistically, one player will play in the low post and the other in the high post. We can debate who should go where, but part of it depends on who has the better ability to pass, shoot, drive and wreak havoc from the high post.

BTW, not that it's related, but Montiejunas looks like a pretty ideal player to play in the high post. Last year everyone was talking about Greg Monroe's ability to pass and play the high-post in general, but Montiejunas looks to be a more talented player than Monroe. The only question with him is his effort towards defense and rebounding. That's where Kanter has the edge.
 
Catchall said:
I think Kanter will be able to score and will get to the line a lot in the NBA. I'm predicting he'll be like a slightly slower, bulkier Rony Seikaly.

Realistically, one player will play in the low post and the other in the high post. We can debate who should go where, but part of it depends on who has the better ability to pass, shoot, drive and wreak havoc from the high post.

BTW, not that it's related, but Montiejunas looks like a pretty ideal player to play in the high post. Last year everyone was talking about Greg Monroe's ability to pass and play the high-post in general, but Montiejunas looks to be a more talented player than Monroe. The only question with him is his effort towards defense and rebounding. That's where Kanter has the edge.
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Plus Kanter has a nice NBA body IMO. Anyway, I think/hope Kanter can be at least a double double guy if he is able to eventually take a spot in the starting lineup a couple years down the road.
 
jazzman12 said:
I think holding onto Jefferson under this scenario would be a problem. First of all, I think Jefferson is a starter in the NBA. He's not like a Milsap where he's going to come off the bench and give you instant energy in short spurts. He's a long-haul, grind it out type of player who tries to wear you down in the post as the game goes on. He's just not suited to come off the bench IMO.

That leaves the option of either bringing Favors or Kanter off the bench which I also think you cannot do. While Favors may not be a starter right this second, KOC certainly didn't trade D-Will just so we could bring him off the bench. And the 2nd part of that D-Will trade would be Kanter. You don't draft a guy with the #3 overall pick with the idea of making him a long term rotation player. He needs to be a starter, period.
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I don't really think that's a problem. Big men usually takes a few years to develop fully. Favors didn't start until the end of last season. I say start Favors at PF and Jefferson at C for 3/4 of the coming season, with Kanter coming off the bench learning the ropes and see how that develops. Ease him into it a bit as he didn't play at all last year.

Next year Jefferson would be an expiring contract so who cares if he whines - I think expiring contract in the next CBA could be worth quite a bit. By then I think Kanter would be ready to start at PF and you simply move Favors over to C. Sign a solid back up PF/C next year if you have to.
 
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