China's march towards war
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Mongoose
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Good grief. Of course the whole world wants to take advantage of the pathetic lack of leadership of the west. We have a brain dean geriatric circling the drain in charge and a completely incompetent cackling hyena in the wings. War after war after war is there any wonder why the war criminals are so supportive of this current administration?
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With China, time is our friend. All that is needed is to delay, delay, delay, and hope things don't drastically change.Best article I've seen regarding China's danger to the world:
China’s new war: America’s freedom depends on confronting the threat - Washington Examiner
America's freedom depends on confronting the threat from China.www.washingtonexaminer.com
China is like a formidable enemy who has incurable cancer. The cancer is going to win even if you don't lift a finger. China has two problems. The first problem is that Marxism / Socialism doesn't work. The economic miracle that has been China over the last 50 years was all due to Deng Xiaoping making capitalist reforms to China's economy in the 1980's. Current leader Xi Jinping has been undoing those reforms to return to more state control, and China's economy is responding exactly how economies do to more socialism being imposed. Better yet, the more the economy slows, the tighter Xi grasps. If you are concerned about China as a rival then hope for committed Marxist Xi Jinping to have a long and healthy life.
The second problem China has is the fertility rate which is already causing issues and will only get worse going forward.
One channel I think you'll like is China Uncensored.
Wait them out? They have 1.4 billion people, we have 333 million. Their control of industries, raw materials and strategic locations around the world is growing rapidly. I don't think waiting them out is a viable solution. They are at war with us right now and have been for a long time.
"Today, the Belt and Road Initiative makes it obvious China is establishing the global infrastructure to dominate economically and militarily.
As part of this strategy, the PRC has been making proprietary loans in port developments in strategic locations around the world. It has already foreclosed on three of these in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Cambodia and is building military naval bases there to add to its port at Djibouti. China has also made dozens of these port loans in Africa and South America including Panama. So much for the Monroe Doctrine!
After Xi promised the world China would not militarize its reclamations in the South China Sea, it went all out to build military bases there. On one FONOP, I flew in a Navy jet directly over Fiery Cross Reef, the large military base built on reclaimed land, and saw missile silos open as we flew directly overhead at 1,000 feet. We saw dozens of PLAN ships and supply ships at Mischief Reef, and most dramatically, we saw PLAN coast guard ships some 1,000 kilometers from the Chinese mainland, emphasizing its desire to call the South China Sea part of China.
As damaging as China’s cyber warfare has been already, it is intensifying at an alarming rate. FBI Director Christopher Wray said recently, “The PRC’s targeting of our critical infrastructure is both broad and unrelenting. It’s using the immense size of its hacking effort to give itself the ability to physically wreak havoc on our critical infrastructure at a time of its choosing.”
We again saw China’s true colors during the coronavirus pandemic. When the virus was discovered in Wuhan, it denied it came from its lab and blocked World Health Organization efforts to investigate. Most telling, though, was when it blocked any domestic travel but for weeks allowed travel out of Wuhan to international destinations and the virus was exported to the rest of the world. Then, it threatened to halt shipments of personal protection equipment and pharmaceuticals to the U.S. because it was asking too many questions.
China continues to laugh at U.S. attempts to partner with it on climate change. In 2023, China built 95% of the world’s new coal-fired power plants and remains the world’s largest polluter.
Its human rights record is, of course, abysmal, but what it is doing in southwestern China is unconscionable. More than a million Uyghurs are being held in concentration camps.
The CCP has infiltrated the U.S. education system and media to affect the way Americans think and behave dramatically. Movie studios must oblige CCP censors if they hope to distribute any production in China. The CCP has also used U.S. social media to indoctrinate generations of Americans with its propaganda.
The CCP is also complicit in the illegal smuggling of fentanyl into the U.S. through Mexico. Fentanyl deaths have exploded in the U.S. increasing from 5,000 in 2014 to more than 70,000 in 2022. More young people died in America in one year from fentanyl than died in 20 years in the Vietnam War. Fentanyl is definitely a CCP weapon in this New War.
The CCP has been rapidly building its military capability as well, particularly its nuclear, cyber, and naval strength. It now boasts a bigger navy with longer-range missiles than the U.S., and it has a huge naval militia. The bottom line is that it is building a naval fleet and military ports to project power around the world, not just protect its home waters.
China has integrated its business and military efforts in this New War. Chinese smart cranes operate in most U.S. ports. A Chinese company operates Australian prisons. China operates ports at both ends of the Panama Canal as well as in Mexico. China controls the Philippines’s power grid. A Chinese company owns the largest U.S. pork producer. These are by no means exhaustive but are simple examples of how China is perpetrating its New War.
To protect ourselves, Americans first have to realize the CCP actually is at war with us.
The combined economic and military strength of democratic capitalist countries is multiple times greater than authoritarian countries. To defend freedom, these free countries need to unite and create an allied front, not unlike World War II. Yes, this is that serious, and time has run out.
The most important thing the U.S. can do immediately is mobilize its allies and reassure them of its friendship and commitment to mutual survival. “America First” never meant “America Alone.” The free world must act now and not get distracted by events elsewhere."
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The devil is in the details. China’s population peaked in 2022 and is falling. India is now the world’s most populous nation. The majority of China’s population right now, today, is too old to fight. China is dying.
As for the raw materials such as the so-called 'rare earths', China dominates supply because we let them. We have them here in the United States. There is a massive rare earths mine southwest of Las Vegas that is mostly idle. We could bring it fully online anytime we wanted, but the mining operation leaves toxic pollution. We let China pollute their lands and expose their workers to toxic substances for a slave's wages.
The reality is that we need China to be a rival because we work better when we have a rival, so we are puffing China up. It is smoke and mirrors.
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Xi wants you to think that.
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Did you read your linked article? Here is the takeaway quote from it:
"Hong Kong’s role as a global financial hub and gateway to China for foreign companies has steadily waned as U.S. and other foreign businesses leave the city. A stampede of banks, investment firms and technology companies have left the city"
China is dying. The article is essentially warning not to be the last one to leave the dying city.
China's economy is really bad right now. Much worse than reported.
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Honest reporting on the economy in China is illegal. Mintz Group is a due diligence firm who was ignoring official Chinese Communist Party statistics to present the real economic picture for their corporate clients. China raided their offices and fined them the equivalent of $1.5 million for "illegal statistical work".
When the story broke, and articles like the one from CNN above came out, China imposed even more fines. Not only is accurate reporting on the economy in China illegal, but it is also illegal to say "accurate reporting on the economy in China is illegal".
All the more reason for Xi to do something rash.
What Chinese company operates Australian prisons? For the the record i think no private company should operate prisons regardless of country of origin.
Almost all of the precursor chemicals used for the manufacture of methamphetamine which is awash in this country and ruining our young people originate in China.
Naval power is the cornerstone of any Empires ability to project power globally, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the British, the Americans....
However despite China's naval power they are still miles behind the US in logistics, If China where to attempt to invade Northern Australia tomorrow, assuming they control the airspace their strategic airlift capacity is about 500 troops a day. Between local garrison and US marines, the garrison in Darwin is about 7000 troops. Its also worth considering that most Australian regular army regiments are trained to a similar standard to US Rangers Frankly the Chinese would be ****ed.
True but they could royally **** shipping routes. They'd hemorrhage themselves but with Russia and Brazil and other allies maybe Xi is deluded enough to do something that stupid.
Funny you mention this over the last 6-7 years, the government has started moving as much defence manufacturing as possible onshore. From small arms to medium range missiles, there has definitely been a move to rely on home made and maintained hardware. A central pillar of our acquisition of nuclear submarines off the US/UK is our ability to maintain them at home.
Biggest issue we have at the moment is the former conservative governments acquisition of Abrams tanks to replace our Leopards, Defence wanted the latest spec of the Leopard II but the government was up the arse of the US administration so they didn't get what was asked for. The Leopard II is significantly more durable and suited for Australian conditions and additionally we already had operation experience with servicing and maintaining Leopard tanks.
We've just agreed to upgrade our current fleet of Abrams with the latest generation of Abrams, the biggest problem is their turbine engines prefer to run on jet fuel, they can use other fuel but it significantly reduces the service time of the engine. One of the significant benefits of the leopard is that it has a diesel powerplant. Diesel fuel is available at every petrol station and almost every large industrial facility and farm, its an inbuilt logistical advantage for a defender.
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We are on the same page there. China could very well believe it is now or never.