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Chris Stewart has decided to boycott the Jazz

One Brow said:
I'm sure you acknowledge there are different levels of risk, and interpreting "the right to put others at risk" as 'the right to increase the risk that other people face' would have been the fair interpretation of that comment.
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I’m glad you agree this is a far more complicated and nuanced problem than a simplistic binary solution that is being touted
 
Wait… you don’t actually have to be vaccinated to enter, just tested? Is that correct and he’s that butt hurt, how is it that that idiot in in a position of power and looked up to and I’m not? I’m every bit the idiot he is and maybe more, though it’s close.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Wait… you don’t actually have to be vaccinated to enter, just tested? Is that correct and he’s that butt hurt, how is it that that idiot in in a position of power and looked up to and I’m not? I’m every bit the idiot he is and maybe more, though it’s close.
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Confirmed!
 
It's just hilarious to me that this guy thinks anyone gives a rats ***.
 
Douchebag K said:
Everyone is at risk.
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Hence the wisdom of vaccines, masks, testing, etc.

A gargantuan part of the nuance that you are speaking of is the fact that many people are more risk than others. Co-morbidities, immunodeficiencies, etc.

If only there were a class of heroes out there that were interested in protecting the weak. Instead of, for instance, grouping everybody into the same risk category.


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Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
Hence the wisdom of vaccines, masks, testing, etc.

A gargantuan part of the nuance that you are speaking of is the fact that many people are more risk than others. Co-morbidities, immunodeficiencies, etc.

If only there were a class of heroes out there that were interested in protecting the weak. Instead of, for instance, grouping everybody into the same risk category.


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Lol. Try this exercise in thinking. Compare someone fully vaxxed. Running around here and there going to many parties, restaurants, sporting events attended by large groups of people. Having large groups of people in their house. Now because of the waning efficacy of said vaccine they contract Covid and may have mild to no symptoms. They continue to move around freely because they’ve had the magic bullet and spread Covid to how many locations. An unvaxxed relatively young person in excellent health and fitness who chooses not to do too much socialising. Works in either a very small workplace numbers wise or at home, fastidious with hand sanitisation, wearing a mask indoors or outdoors when I close contact with people. Makes the conscientious choice to maintain good social distancing as much as is possible and avoids gatherings of people particularly indoors for the duration of the pandemic. Self isolates and gets tested at the most minor hint of symptoms. Who of these two is the more reckless, irresponsible and culpable should any others around them contract Covid ?
 
JazzGal said:
The unvaccinated people in my world are the ones who are out there partying it up unmasked. It is the vaccinated who seem to be taking precautions. So your examples do not seem to be translating into real life.
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Right? Replace COVID with polio in his example and see how ridiculous it sounds. People get polio boosters and no one bats an eye, and no vaccine is 100% effective at preventing transmission and serious death. People just keep moving the goalposts. Even if it gets every approval in the book. I've lost all empathy for these people. We're going to see such a huge wave of PTSD from our poor healthcare workers who are even more maxed out than they were last year. My grandma had a stroke and had to be airlifted to a hospital hours away because these *******s are taking up every ICU bed, and of course it was too late to do anything and she died.
 
JazzGal said:
The unvaccinated people in my world are the ones who are out there partying it up unmasked. It is the vaccinated who seem to be taking precautions. So your examples do not seem to be translating into real life.
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ffs i'm not saying that's what's happening en mass I'm not saying to not get vaccinated. I'm vaccinated. It's that it's a lot more complicated and includes people's personal behaviour which is different everywhere. Personally we've been in lockdown for nearly 3 months and i know some people who are vaxxed who are planning on going on socialising rampages when lockdown is released which i think is irresponsible ..
 
Douchebag K said:
Lol. Try this exercise in thinking. Compare someone fully vaxxed. Running around here and there going to many parties, restaurants, sporting events attended by large groups of people. Having large groups of people in their house. Now because of the waning efficacy of said vaccine they contract Covid and may have mild to no symptoms. They continue to move around freely because they’ve had the magic bullet and spread Covid to how many locations. An unvaxxed relatively young person in excellent health and fitness who chooses not to do too much socialising. Works in either a very small workplace numbers wise or at home, fastidious with hand sanitisation, wearing a mask indoors or outdoors when I close contact with people. Makes the conscientious choice to maintain good social distancing as much as is possible and avoids gatherings of people particularly indoors for the duration of the pandemic. Self isolates and gets tested at the most minor hint of symptoms. Who of these two is the more reckless, irresponsible and culpable should any others around them contract Covid ?
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Problem with your hypothetical is that it isn't actually what's happening.
Those not getting vaccinated are also this who thought covid was a hoax and think it's just the flu and think it's no big deal (hence why they aren't getting vaccinated).
They don't think masks work either. They are the ones who don't take measures against covid.
So it's a double whammy. They don't get vaccinated AND they go about life as if there is no such thing as covid (cause freedums).
 
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