Your original post is still hilarious... and it took me forever to find that thread.
CJ Fredette?
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Your original post is still hilarious... and it took me forever to find that thread.
DutchJazzer
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Jimmer defeated the Borg
davidbenoit
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Agreed. You don't pass on a guy with that kind of drive. He has gotten better every year in almost every category. He lives on proving people wrong. His turnovers were high but that's because he had the ball in his hands 80% of each possession and was double teamed half the time. It's amazing he was hitting 40% on 3's with the degree of difficulty involved. Will he improve that percentage in the league since he wont be the focus of the other teams defensive strategy? I think so. His man defense is terrible but with a high basketball IQ hopefully he can play some decent team defense.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I am in favor of drafting him at 0 since, in my book, that means we wouldn't get him. Don't take this as an insult to James. There are a whole bunch of players I'd like to draft at 0.
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So how long can he take advantage of not being the focus of the other team's defense until he is killing teams bad enough to become the focus? Imagine what Kobe could do if the other team didn't focus on him defensively. Once teams do start focusing on Jimmer, he will have to climb back up like Reddick has. Jimmer shooting 40% from 3 with college level defense is a 30% shooter with elite defenders hounding him (a Bowen in his prime would decimate Jimmer). Once he becomes a scouted focus of the defense it won't get any bettter. No matter what he is going to have to adjust. And that is the question, can he?
Dude, coming out Jimmer will be scouted (not that its really necessary,everyone knows the kid shoots lights out.). Teams will guard him from the get-go. Its up to him to use that to his advantage to get his teammates open shots.
The point I think the guy was trying to make is, that with other skilled players on the floor, teams wont be able to over commit to Jimmer like they could when he played with the pasty BYU scrubs.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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For all jimmers scoring ability we know Davies scored better.
davidbenoit
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He'll have to adjust no doubt.
Comparing the offensive skill set of Fredette and Reddick won't get you very far. Reddick is a shooter that relies on screens. While Fredette is a shooter who can actually create his own shot(and can make it with a hand in has face, literally), put the ball on the floor, and is big enough to take some contact at the rim. For these reasons I think he can adjust to the faster and stronger NBA. Honestly I don't think he'll ever be the focus of the other team. I see him being a solid starter and that's about it. You take a solid starter at 12.
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=+1
gomretat
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The getting better every year thing is a legit point. And he clearly has heart and determination which I think are the two reasons he might be worth drafting. The double team thing is a BYU fan myth. Teams starting playing him different off of the pick roll but outside of being in the paint he rarely got double teamed. The truth is, when teams guarded him with length his shooting percentage suffered. He will see length in the NBA. And the focus thing is highly suspect. Most of the teams he played against had not where close to NBA talent or NBA athleticism guarding him.
gomretat
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So there are about 125 NCAA D1 players in front of him. And Brian Green from USU should be a lottery pick.
Not a myth.
I saw him doubled 4 feet past the 3pt line fairly consistently.
They would change things up, and try different defenses, but I did see that double often. The second double or triple you are talking about is when he was played man, and after he beat his man on a move to the basket the strong side defender would slide over on either the show, or the full double... if he kept going to beat the second guy, a third would step in and force either a bad shot or a pass out to an open teammate.
Why would a team do this? Because Jimmer was working them and they wanted to force the rest of the team to beat them instead.
I don't even know how many times I saw Jimmer have to split a double at the 3pt line past the top of the key.
If you think the double team is a myth you need to actually watch a game or 5.
davidbenoit
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On almost every possession it seemed. I think it shows his potential to become more of a passing point guard(relative to what he was at BYU) if he has the skill to break down the defense like that. He did get his shot blocked on many occasion after he did get past the first 1-2 defenders which is a concern. A little too slow I guess. You hope it's because he was relied on so heavily in the offense.
gomretat
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We will just disagree on the double team thing. About midway through the season, on the pick and roll, the defender guarding the offensive player who was setting the pick would stay on Jimmer until the primary defender could get back on him. Double teams were typically temporary until they shifted back. Granted, that is a different way of defending the P&R and it leaves someone wide open temporarily. The fact that Jimmer rarely gave up the ball made it less damaging because he wouldn't pass out of it. That may be in part that the defender who switched was usually someone with length so it was not an easy pass. However, there were times when it was simply a bad decision not to give the ball up. For most of the season, he had several other players on the floor who were shooting about the same percentage from the 3pt line and were often open.
I'm glad this idea floated by Jimmer_fan is gaining in popularity. The Overton Window has been enlarged!
Where are you getting that "fact" from? I saw Jimmer give up the ball tons of times. In fact, in the nationally-covered games, the announcers frequently mentioned how great it was that Jimmer was getting points within the flow of the offense and without being a ball hog.
How many BYU games did you actually watch last year?
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Archie Moses
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lol Did you watch any BYU game? Rarely doubled team? bwhwahahaha
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gomretat
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Watch film boys. He was doubled coming of the P&R until a shift happened or when they had a chance to trap. The teams who guarded him with length did a significant amount of one on one D. And anyone who thinks Jimmer gave up the ball a lot is smoking BYU peyote. Without doing the research, I am willing to bet he was near the top in both 3pt attempts and shot attempts. You can argue he should have done so which is fine but don't act like he was someone who gave up the ball. Not many college players get over 20 shot attempts a game or double figure attempts from 3 and both were a regular occurrence for JF.