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TheGoldStandard

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Went to the game last night. To get in you have to show proof of vaccination, either card in hand or an electronic pic of your card. What a joke. 18k people trying to get in the stadium and all they did was take a quick glance. I could have just as easily shown them a pic from the internet of a random vaccination card found on Google.

Once inside the mandatory mask mandate is a joke as well. You can remove your mask if you have drink or food. Apparently it counts if your are just thinking about getting drink or food. At least 25-30% of attendees didn't have a mask on.

There is no way I don't have omicron this morning.
I went to the GS game. There was no mask requirement. Did that change back to what they had last year?
 

One Brow

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That cloth masks are allowed and home tests accepted shows the health authorities are only putting on a show now to placate those terrified by COVID. With Omicron, cloth masks do nothing. Cloth masks somewhat worked at the beginning of the pandemic, and offered a little protection by the time the UK variant became dominant. With delta the protection from cloth masks was measurable but in the low single digits for percentage of efficacy. Omicron goes right through it. That is what happens when a pathogen evolves to become more airborne. The masks stop droplets. They are great for stopping influenza because the flu is passed via droplets. Now even hospital staffs with KN95 masks, full face shields, nitrile gloves, and training to use all PPE correctly are getting Omicron.
Can you provide even an iota of evidence that omicron does not travel on droplets, just like every other variation, but instead travels droplet-free? I'm guessing no. I'm guessing you read a post by some moron who didn't understand what they read, and didn't bother to find the truth yourself, because the lie is so appealing to you.

From the material I've seen, omicron requires less viral load to create an infection, making airborne (on water droplets) transmission more likely, which increases the need for masks. Of course, you'll latch onto any excuse to downplay masks.

For that to be acceptable shows we don’t actually want to find Omicron infected people fast enough to stop transmission.
Or, it just shows that something is better than nothing.

We just want to look like we’re doing something.
Finding 2/3 of the infections *is* doing something.
 

Al-O-Meter

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Can you provide even an iota of evidence that omicron does not travel on droplets, just like every other variation, but instead travels droplet-free? I'm guessing no. I'm guessing you read a post by some moron who didn't understand what they read
...or my wife is a scientist who talks about the latest literature on the subject. It was known all the way back in 2000 that COVID-19 was at least partially airborne.

The next year, there was even more evidence that not only was COVID-19 airborne but that it was becoming more so.

There are numerous mask studies through the course of the pandemic that showed a reduction in mask effectiveness that you and I have commented on earlier. I can post the scientific work again if you want but mask started with an effectiveness of around 33% for adults universally wearing cloth masks in the initial outbreak, and had dropped all the way to 5% effectiveness for cloth masks during Delta which caused much of Europe to ban cloth masks as being ineffective against Delta.

The data about Omicron being even more airborne than Delta is still early but was indicated in the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) out of the UK last month.
 

Avery

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I recall early on in the pandemic that any mask was better than no mask hence why cloth masks were so abundant. No one could locate N95's as these were reserved for those in the health field and with no supply in hand, people were encouraged to wear any facial covering even if the effectiveness was only 20% greater because it was still better. We ditched our cloth masks long ago and use N95 when we go out now as even the cheapo paper masks really aren't great.

I've stated before that masks is only one of many preventative measures as well as one that's probably done the least effective. Proper social distancing, sanitizing of high-touch objects, etc. are more effective for my money. At least they are better than flimsy 2x2 plexiglass screen at the grocery store that do absolutely nothing.

The best prevention for any of us is to simply stay the hell away from each other - everything else is window dressing. Omicron is going to run it's brutal course and dip down once it's out of new hosts.

I hope that day is soon as Covid's politicization has torn an already fractured nation further apart.
 

LogGrad98

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I recall early on in the pandemic that any mask was better than no mask hence why cloth masks were so abundant. No one could locate N95's as these were reserved for those in the health field and with no supply in hand, people were encouraged to wear any facial covering even if the effectiveness was only 20% greater because it was still better. We ditched our cloth masks long ago and use N95 when we go out now as even the cheapo paper masks really aren't great.

I've stated before that masks is only one of many preventative measures as well as one that's probably done the least effective. Proper social distancing, sanitizing of high-touch objects, etc. are more effective for my money. At least they are better than flimsy 2x2 plexiglass screen at the grocery store that do absolutely nothing.

The best prevention for any of us is to simply stay the hell away from each other - everything else is window dressing. Omicron is going to run it's brutal course and dip down once it's out of new hosts.

I hope that day is soon as Covid's politicization has torn an already fractured nation further apart.
They showed pretty early on that sanitizing didn't do much because it doesn't spread through touch the way the flu does. The virus dies too fast on surfaces.


I said from the very beginning we should just shut everything down for 3 weeks. Enough time to get everyone past their contagious phase and let the damn thing die out. If everyone in the world had just stayed home for 3 weeks with zero contact outside of households it would have been done long ago. But ma freeedumbs!!
 

Avery

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They showed pretty early on that sanitizing didn't do much because it doesn't spread through touch the way the flu does. The virus dies too fast on surfaces.


I said from the very beginning we should just shut everything down for 3 weeks. Enough time to get everyone past their contagious phase and let the damn thing die out. If everyone in the world had just stayed home for 3 weeks with zero contact outside of households it would have been done long ago. But ma freeedumbs!!
The problem has always been that Covid is a global problem. If we could have somehow kept everyone home with government-provided grocery dropoffs, guaranteeing pay for all workers who can't actually work and everything else, then yeah, it might have worked - initially.

But we can't do that forever and at some point, our guard will come down, borders will open up and we're back to where we started. The virus always wins because it's playing against a team in the human race that plays against itself.
 

TheGoldStandard

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The problem has always been that Covid is a global problem. If we could have somehow kept everyone home with government-provided grocery dropoffs, guaranteeing pay for all workers who can't actually work and everything else, then yeah, it might have worked - initially.

But we can't do that forever and at some point, our guard will come down, borders will open up and we're back to where we started. The virus always wins because it's playing against a team in the human race that plays against itself.
The other problem is you always have to have some people working. Hospitals can't close. By the time we knew enough it was already here. Even when Trump wanted to close borders it was too late.

I actually think we should have never shut down at all, at least not the majority of things. Concerts, games, etc., with thousands of people, yeah, but stores should have stayed open. It caused COVID fatigue and made people resist ongoing rules even more.

We knew we couldn't stop it, so just avoid overwhelming what was already a nearly full health system was always the goal until/if a vaccine was developed. Omicron moved the goal post, but the rules are the same. The vaccine/prior infection is providing a lot of protection, but Omicron is so contagious, and is still killing and causing health issues for a lot of people. At the rate it is spreading, assuming no major mutations, we may see the light at the end of the tunnel soon.
 


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