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Handlogten's Heros said:
So... if he doesn't take the extension and hits FA and bounces is that better or worse... or say he has one year left on his deal now... do the returns for Portland get any better. Look they both jumped into bed freely and made a contract baby... risk on both sides. I'm just not gonna kill the guy that gave them 11 years of service and told them "build around me I want to win here" and then they drafted guard after guard and just didn't cash in the assets they needed... even if it didn't make them a surefire contender.
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We don't know what the Heat have actually put on the table. Some sources seems to be implying they have not even put all the picks they have in that offer, which I would find insulting if I was Portland. We can play hypotheticals all we want and we wouldn't know what the trade value would be for him in all those difference scenarios. What we know is what's happening now...
 
stitches said:
We don't know what the Heat have actually put on the table. Some sources seems to be implying they have not even put all the picks they have in that offer, which I would find insulting if I was Portland. We can play hypotheticals all we want and we wouldn't know what the trade value would be for him in all those difference scenarios. What we know is what's happening now...
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Right... which then another team could outbid them easily and try to call Dame's bluff. The general theory is that the Heat can't even put a competitive offer on the table... and they can with some small maneuvers. They will try and keep all they can but eventually I think they relent.

I also think this was part of the reason Donovan wasn't super pissy with us for not sending him to NY... they had a lot of chances to offer up their best package and decided to thump their chest instead. If we offer two firsts or something and it gets accepted then I think you can turn to Dame and say "they must not have wanted you that bad".
 
jumpin bean said:
When you get stars on the team and look like a contender, you get good players to fill out the roster for cheap. I f we look the part others will join in
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Doesn’t that depend on the market? I don’t recall many good players jumping at the chance to put us over the top at any of our peaks. And I’ve been a fan of the franchise since the early 90s.
 
If I were the Jazz and I decided that I liked Dame, considering his age and current contract, I'd just go ahead and trade for him. The problem that's emerging in the league is no longer just that All NBA-caliber free agents really only want to go to LA, Miami and NY. The problem is that even All NBA-caliber players who are under contract are asking to be traded to LA, Miami and NY.

So if you're a team like the Jazz, what do you do? You draft a high-caliber young player, feature him and develop him into an All Star. You give him his second contract, and somewhere in the middle of fulfilling that contract he says he wants to be traded to a glamor market. (I'm talking about Donovan Mitchell here, rather than Dame.) If All Star and All NBA-caliber players who aren't from Europe are all going to ask to be traded to certain cities, then the only recourse for a team like the Jazz is to go ahead and trade for them whether they like it or not.

Ainge can just disregard what everyone thinks and decide he has an opportunity to trade for a perennial All Star who is under contract for the rest of his productive career. In addition, his trade market is being made artificially soft by his agent who is pushing for Miami or bust. That makes him even easier to trade for.
 
My best guess is Danny is just waiting on this whole thing to play out in the media so hopefully Dame/Agent continue to look like the bad guys and Portland starts to get mad at Miami for controlling things. Then at the peak of Portland feeling emsaculated by Pat Riley/Dame's Agent, Danny swoops in with just a marginally better offer and gets Dame.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
My best guess is Danny is just waiting on this whole thing to play out in the media so hopefully Dame/Agent continue to look like the bad guys and Portland starts to get mad at Miami for controlling things. Then at the peak of Portland feeling emsaculated by Pat Riley/Dame's Agent, Danny swoops in with just a marginally better offer and gets Dame.
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Danny is opportunistic so would not surprise me if things drag way out and get ugly.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
My best guess is Danny is just waiting on this whole thing to play out in the media so hopefully Dame/Agent continue to look like the bad guys and Portland starts to get mad at Miami for controlling things. Then at the peak of Portland feeling emsaculated by Pat Riley/Dame's Agent, Danny swoops in with just a marginally better offer and gets Dame.
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Pretty much has to do what Altman did when we broke negotiations with NYK, when they decided they had ALL DA LEVERAGES and sent insulting counter offers...
 
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