Dame Time

[NUMBERICA]

All of those teams have holes. If we get Dame we wouldn't have the highest end talent, but we might be the most complete team.

With the Collins deal and after signing Clarkson we are a win now team. Ainge has put together this team with the idea in mind that we will eventually trade for a star to complete the team.

I would pump the brakes on that a little. We don’t really have any wing depth. Or perimeter defense. But we did use all of our cap space and our top pick on big forwards when our best player is a big forward already so that’s great.

 

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From The Hoops Collective Podcast:

MacMahon throws out the Jazz as a sleeper Dame team. He says the Jazz are at the minimum very intrigued by the possibility.

Windhorst says the Jazz are a lurker.

They talk about the potential package being Sexton/KO/THT plus one young guys and picks.

Windhorst said Dame and Collins would do some damage to the league.

MacMahon says the Jazz would be a threat in the West with Dame.

Windhorst makes a good point saying the chance for Utah to trade for a star is rare and it’s even more rare for that star to have 4 years left on his deal.

MacMahon says the reason you stockpile picks like the Jazz have is to go after a star and they can’t be that selective. They need to take their swing when they can.

MacMahon says he expects Utah to have some level of discussions whether it is for Dame or to help facilitate a Dame deal.

Lillard being on a 4yr contract shouldn't be viewed as a positive. We get maybe one more prime year from Lillard and then the decline begins and likely speeds up pretty drastically after year 2 of that contract. Lillard is also at the age where even if he is at a high level when playing we seem them become far more injury prone.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Maxey is a very good player… not sure how he’s overrated. 22 YO putting up his numbers on that kind of efficiency for a winning team? He’s pretty good. Morey saying he’s untouchable is just Morey. He wanted like Mobley, Allen and stuff for Tobias Harris lol.

Players scoring >20 ppg on .600 TS% in their early 20’s are virtually non-existent. I’d wager he’s one of one.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I would pump the brakes on that a little. We don’t really have any wing depth. Or perimeter defense. But we did use all of our cap space and our top pick on big forwards when our best player is a big forward already so that’s great.

That's fair.

 

[KqWIN]

Maxey is a very good player… not sure how he’s overrated. 22 YO putting up his numbers on that kind of efficiency for a winning team? He’s pretty good. Morey saying he’s untouchable is just Morey. He wanted like Mobley, Allen and stuff for Tobias Harris lol.

I think OG is a really good player too, but Windy today was just saying they would not trade Maxey for prime Michael Jordan. Sure that was hyperbole, but he's not some superstar player. He's good, really good maybe. I don't know why he's untouchable when he's maybe just a notch above the other scoring combo guard types....some of whom are seen as negative value. He's certainly closer to the Herro/Poole/Simons tier than he is a Mitchell/Garland. You would think that he must have just had the most amazing playoff run of all time but he was....fine?

 

[Elizah Huge]

I was interested in maybe getting Herro but after Clarkson re-signed I think I’m good on that. Only guy I really think we could get involved with getting as a third team is Maxey.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why do people want Maxey and not Herro?

For the record I want neither.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think OG is a really good player too, but Windy today was just saying they would not trade Maxey for prime Michael Jordan. Sure that was hyperbole, but he's not some superstar player. He's good, really good maybe. I don't know why he's untouchable when he's maybe just a notch above the other scoring combo guard types....some of whom are seen as negative value. He's certainly closer to the Herro/Poole/Simons tier than he is a Mitchell/Garland. You would think that he must have just had the most amazing playoff run of all time but he was....fine?

That was Windy doing a bit very clearly mocking the narrative that Morey is selling. I think he might be closer to the Mitchell/Garland than those others guys. He's very efficient and had to survive as a third banana. I think he'd be worth a couple firsts from us and I wouldn't be shocked if he blew up in a different situation. No one thinks he's untouchable... its dumb posturing. If he wasn't available they would extend him (even though this cute narrative they have about having two max spots open).

 

[underdog]

I’m against trading for Dame. I think it’s fool’s gold. Our team isn’t ready yet. We’re too young and don’t have solid defense pieces. We would give valuable assets and good players away, and after 3 years with Dame (who turns 33 this month with his numbers bound to decline, increased risk of injuries, his huge contract a burden) come out empty-handed and those assets and players gone. Ainge hasn’t made a mistake yet. Hope he can keep it that way.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why do people want Maxey and not Herro?

For the record I want neither.

Maxey is better, younger, and has developed and thrived in an environment that is not ripe for that kind of thing. Herro is solid but how will he be outside of Heat culture? I think Maxey can also be more of a point guard than Herro can.

 

[KqWIN]

That was Windy doing a bit very clearly mocking the narrative that Morey is selling. I think he might be closer to the Mitchell/Garland than those others guys. He's very efficient and had to survive as a third banana. I think he'd be worth a couple firsts from us and I wouldn't be shocked if he blew up in a different situation. No one thinks he's untouchable... its dumb posturing. If he wasn't available they would extend him (even though this cute narrative they have about having two max spots open).

It's definitely not this simple, but if you look at what Maxey produced compared to what Sexton produced....it's really not that different...at least from a very surface level view. I wouldn't disagree with you if you said he's the best of the Poole/Herro/Simons tier....but the idea that he's significantly better and closer to Mitchell/Garland is crazy to me.

 

[whatthe]

I would do the Dame deal. It his personality and putting the team ahead and wanting the team to be good. He would be okay with trades and team building that Ainge and Zanek will be still doing. Are we going to get that I a another star? Maybe not.