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It’s not about the next guy wanting to come there… it’s about doing right by the guy that was there and was loyal. The guys they have there now will see how you treat the guy on his way out the door. It’s agents and other relationships. I also have a feeling there was a wink and a nod agreement when he signed his extension that they’d do right by him if he needed out.

Again… not saying they should get screwed… but that if the Miami offer is 85-90% of the other best offers you take the Miami offer. If some team wants to come over top and beat it by a significant margin… then you take the offer.

Also all of those offers listed ended up being the best offers on the table… because teams don’t want to acquire a guy that will become a problem.
 
It’s not about the next guy wanting to come there… it’s about doing right by the guy that was there and was loyal. The guys they have there now will see how you treat the guy on his way out the door. It’s agents and other relationships. I also have a feeling there was a wink and a nod agreement when he signed his extension that they’d do right by him if he needed out.

Again… not saying they should get screwed… but that if the Miami offer is 85-90% of the other best offers you take the Miami offer. If some team wants to come over top and beat it by a significant margin… then you take the offer.

Also all of those offers listed ended up being the best offers on the table… because teams don’t want to acquire a guy that will become a problem.

I don’t really agree with this at all. With that logic we should have shipped Donovan to the Knicks. Seems like it worked out fine for us.
 
I don’t really agree with this at all. With that logic we should have shipped Donovan to the Knicks. Seems like it worked out fine for us.
It’s a different situation for a lot of reasons… but also NY withheld assets… if Miami doesn’t offer up everything then we can have a different discussion. He also wasn’t forcing his way to one spot. Had he said NY or nothing we’d have been in a much worse spot. He’s also a lot more years left so a bit more open. Dame has a 2-3 year window… burning a year or two in a less than ideal situation.
 
If a Dame trade left the powder dry I would understand the “this must make us a contender” POV a lot more. But that’s so far from the case.
If a Dame trade doesn't make us a contender and left some powder dry then what's the point of keeping that powder dry? To spend it in a few years to drag this team to another non-contender level? That's the reason I want us to actually go all in if we want to trade for Dame.
 
It’s not about the next guy wanting to come there… it’s about doing right by the guy that was there and was loyal. The guys they have there now will see how you treat the guy on his way out the door. It’s agents and other relationships. I also have a feeling there was a wink and a nod agreement when he signed his extension that they’d do right by him if he needed out.

Again… not saying they should get screwed… but that if the Miami offer is 85-90% of the other best offers you take the Miami offer. If some team wants to come over top and beat it by a significant margin… then you take the offer.

Also all of those offers listed ended up being the best offers on the table… because teams don’t want to acquire a guy that will become a problem.
As much as I'd love to believe that, doing right by a player rarely yields positive results for a franchise. There's no reason to screw the future of your franchise by accepting a low ball offer.
 
If a Dame trade doesn't make us a contender and left some powder dry then what's the point of keeping that powder dry? To spend it in a few years to drag this team to another non-contender level? That's the reason I want us to actually go all in if we want to trade for Dame.

I do not disagree. What I said is that the Dame trade does not leave the powder dry. Trading for Dame in isolation doesn’t have to catapult us into contender status. We would have plenty of options and resources to continue building a better team. I think our chances of getting almost every player (superstar, star, or otherwise) go up exponentially if Lillard is in a Jazz uniform. Great players want to play with great players.
 
As much as I'd love to believe that, doing right by a player rarely yields positive results for a franchise. There's no reason to screw the future of your franchise by accepting a low ball offer.
The offer has to be comparable. Teams have absolutely benefited by playing nice… OKC for example.

NBA is an ecosystem and burning guys that treated you well won’t help you. Relationships matter.
 
It’s not about the next guy wanting to come there… it’s about doing right by the guy that was there and was loyal. The guys they have there now will see how you treat the guy on his way out the door. It’s agents and other relationships. I also have a feeling there was a wink and a nod agreement when he signed his extension that they’d do right by him if he needed out.

Again… not saying they should get screwed… but that if the Miami offer is 85-90% of the other best offers you take the Miami offer. If some team wants to come over top and beat it by a significant margin… then you take the offer.

Also all of those offers listed ended up being the best offers on the table… because teams don’t want to acquire a guy that will become a problem.
I completely disagree. Damian demanding a trade is basically throwing shade at his current teammates because he doesn't believe in them. Also getting as much as possible for Damian is a direct benefit to them so they should want the best package possible if they want to win basketball games long term.
 
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