David Locke = massive troll?

[Grandpa Jazz]

If there is an example of teams in OT making a bunch of subs for the sake of fresh legs please fill me in.

I believe you are being disingenuous here. While it is obvious to all that coaches in the NBA dislike subbing in OT, it is not even sensible to apply that to 4 OT game. Never has Ty Corbin left players in a game for 25-30 minute
stretches. Why does it make any sense to do so in this situation? When players from both sides are stumbling around and have trouble getting the ball to the rim when shooting. Then it just seems sensible to put a less tired player on
the floor, (unless you do not have any faith in that player being equal to the challenge). If that is sensible then it is entirely sensible to pick your five and play them 48 minutes every night.

 

[Deleted member 365]

According to David Locke, the Jazz have never made a mistake...

And AK47 is better than Lebron.

And yes, a few years ago he came out with stats to prove it. That was when Locke lost all credibility for me. I haven't listened to more than 3 minutes of 1320 since.

They're nothing more than crappy car salesmen on the radio towing the company line.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'd like to know how it is a league wide practice to keep the closers in the game through OT yet Corbin should be fired and now Locke is a troll for trying to explain this.

I don't recall seeing OT games where teams subbed much at all unless there was an obvious mismatch like Gordon on Heinrich. If there is an example of teams in OT making a bunch of subs for the sake of fresh legs please fill me in.

So Brown Notes, I have a question for you. How many coaches currently coaching in the NBA have coached a 4 overtime game?

Probably not very many. So the arguement that this is what all the other coaches do in this situation doesn't stand up too well.

Also the arguement of "thats what everyone always does" is dumb anyway. Like in football how everyone plays prevent defense when they are leading at the end of the game even if thier normal defense has been working all game long. Then the other team scores in like 2 minutes or less because of that prevent defense. "But that is what all the coaches do" is a crappy arguement.

Burks and Favors should have played more plain and simple..... like usual.

 

[Brown Notes]

So Brown Notes, I have a question for you. How many coaches currently coaching in the NBA have coached a 4 overtime game?

Probably not very many. So the arguement that this is what all the other coaches do in this situation doesn't stand up too well.

Also the arguement of "thats what everyone always does" is dumb anyway. Like in football how everyone plays prevent defense when they are leading at the end of the game even if thier normal defense has been working all game long. Then the other team scores in like 2 minutes or less because of that prevent defense. "But that is what all the coaches do" is a crappy arguement.

Burks and Favors should have played more plain and simple..... like usual.

Well the prevailing attitude seems to be that Corbin is some kind of basketball retard and if they just replaced him this couldn't happen. My point is that if you replace the coaching staff it is very likely you get the same result in an OT situation. So in essence the collective BB gurus here would simply trade retards.

I am pretty sure whoever coaches put in to close the game, close the game with very few exceptions. You could argue that Burks or Favors should be closers but that's not really what we are talking about. Nobody subs for tired legs in OT. I'm sure there is a poster somewhere that is motivated and young enough to change the NBA and get into coaching, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[Harambe]

Isn't a troll someone against the Jazz but rooting for them?

Locke roots for them and supports the stupid Jazz decisions no matter how dumb.
That's a goblin.

Locke's a goblin.

Trolling: Saying or doing something incite emotional response. This can be telling the truth or a lie, going with or against.

Anyone who writes for a living is a professional troll, to one degree or another.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well the prevailing attitude seems to be that Corbin is some kind of basketball retard and if they just replaced him this couldn't happen. My point is that if you replace the coaching staff it is very likely you get the same result in an OT situation. So in essence the collective BB gurus here would simply trade retards.

I am pretty sure whoever coaches put in to close the game, close the game with very few exceptions. You could argue that Burks or Favors should be closers but that's not really what we are talking about. Nobody subs for tired legs in OT. I'm sure there is a poster somewhere that is motivated and young enough to change the NBA and get into coaching, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Good answer.... You may be right, and maybe it would have worked to sub guys in, but maybe not. The people saying that there should have been subs made dont know for sure if it would have worked.
One thing i find strange is that burks has been our closer during alot of the current winning streak, not CJ. I think that is the criticism i would have of corbin this game.
Why change what has been working during the winning streak. If burks is your closer against L.A., sacrament, etc then why not against atlanta.... especially since CJ usually struggles on the road.
Maybe corbin thinks the situation was too "big" for a rookie, but i see loads of confidence coming from burks and i think he could have handled it.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

They're nothing more crappy than hyperbole.

Agreed.

 

[green]

Good answer.... You may be right, and maybe it would have worked to sub guys in, but maybe not. The people saying that there should have been subs made dont know for sure if it would have worked.
One thing i find strange is that burks has been our closer during alot of the current winning streak, not CJ. I think that is the criticism i would have of corbin this game.
Why change what has been working during the winning streak. If burks is your closer against L.A., sacrament, etc then why not against atlanta.... especially since CJ usually struggles on the road.
Maybe corbin thinks the situation was too "big" for a rookie, but i see loads of confidence coming from burks and i think he could have handled it.

I agree with this post. I don't agree with leaving Millsap and Al in the game, but I get it. What I don't get, and what is inexcusable is that Burks has had more big 4th quarter moments in the past week than CJ has had in the past six, seven years. Hell, even in the Sacramento game, the Jazz gave up a lead, CJ was awful, Burks came in and won the game for us. Why was Burks not put in this game? Why was CJ left in this game? It makes no sense whatsoever.

KOC has to get rid of Al and let CJ walk before next season. Corbin just can't help himself.

 

[Brown Notes]

Good answer.... You may be right, and maybe it would have worked to sub guys in, but maybe not. The people saying that there should have been subs made dont know for sure if it would have worked.
One thing i find strange is that burks has been our closer during alot of the current winning streak, not CJ. I think that is the criticism i would have of corbin this game.
Why change what has been working during the winning streak. If burks is your closer against L.A., sacrament, etc then why not against atlanta.... especially since CJ usually struggles on the road.
Maybe corbin thinks the situation was too "big" for a rookie, but i see loads of confidence coming from burks and i think he could have handled it.

This will be an unpopular answer. And the answer is, CJ earned it. He simply was playing a better game than Burks was. After the starters seemingly blew the game in the first half they came out in the 3rd and completely blew the Hawks away. Joe Johnson only made one basket in the 2nd half. CJ was doing it on both ends of the floor and continued that almost all the way to the end. People are sick of CJ and he has given a lot of good reason for that over the years but this really was a tremendous game for him, even with missing the last 2 rim shots to tie. He showed a lot of heart.

IMO a better case could be made for Favors, he was playing really hard and was making his FTs which IMO is his closing weakness. But like Locke said, taking out either big would be pulling either your #1 or #2 option on O. Jefferson is by far the most reliable player on the team as far as creating points late in the clock and nobody is as clutch as Sap. That would be a tough call. As it turned out nobody could score in the 1st OT anyways so who knows.

I sure don't think a change is as obvious as a lot of posters here do. It's likely Favors could end up starting again sometime soon but Al/Sap are going to continue to close. I don't think Burks will start but very well could take a closing role for the playoffs.

JMHTheory.

 

[fishonjazz]

Just one more thing i would like to add reguarding Corbin not subbing because other coaches dont sub in OT.

I think that each team and each game is different so corbin should not follow what any other coach should do. This team/season/game is much different from others
Most teams lose alot of talent/skill when they sub thier bench in and so probably dont sub because they worry about not being able to compete with thier bench and that they might lose the lead. Our team doesn't lose much when the bench comes in so it is less risky as far as losing the lead. The bench could keep us in the game or even increase the lead and you could bring the starters back in.

Also this is a lockout condensed season. In a normal season coaches probably are reluctant to sub in OT, but in this lockout shortened season i think maybe different strategy should be employed.

Just my thoughts.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Locke is my favorite company man. He's really bright, he loves the game, he makes good points, but it's obvious he's a cheerleader beyond even his own natural positive way of looking at things. That's to be expected and I don't blame him.

 

[gregbroncs]

Locke doesn't toe the Jazzfanz line?

I'm shocked and shagrinned!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2EirLJqghA

Nope Locke tows the Jazz management line. It's really the only reason he has a job at all. If a single time he start questioning them he will probably be fired. He's a terrible play by play guy and a terrible sports reporter. Without the kissing of asses how is he to keep his job?