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Did the Jazz mishandle things after the D-Will trade

Litany

Litany

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Over on the Realgm board, in the Jazz forum, there is some discussion going on about rebuilding and comparison to how the Spurs handle things as well as how OKC did things.

One poster, Stocktonshorts had a great summary of the situation and I agree with him 100% here it is:

Trade your vets, play your young guys, get several high draft picks, draft really well...

Let's look at what SEA/OKC did in detail:

2006-07:

This team, led by Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis, went 31-51. Allen and Lewis both missed over 20 games. They landed the second pick in the 2007 draft despite having just a 10% chance of getting it. They used that pick, of course, on Kevin Durant. In the second round of that draft they picked Carl Landry and Glen Davis. They traded Landry to the Rockets for cash then traded Glen Davis and Ray Allen to the Celtics for Jeff Green and fillers.

They then traded Lewis to the Magic for a 2nd round pick and a TPE.

10 days later they traded that 2nd round pick to the Suns for Kurt Thomas, a 2008 1st round pick and a 2010 1st round pick. Phoenix basically gave them two first round picks for absorbing Kurt Thomas's contract.

2007-08:

They turned the team over to Durant and Green. Durant played more minutes on that squad than anyone except Earl Watson. Green was third in minutes played. The team went 20-62 and ended up with the 4th pick in the draft as well as the 24th from the Phoenix trade. They used the 4th pick on Russell Westbrook and the 24th pick (acquired from Phoenix) on Serge Ibaka.

2008-09:

Once again they let Kevin Durant lead the team in minutes. The top three players in minutes played were Durant (PER 20.8), Green (13.9) and rookie Russell Westbrook (15.2). The team finished 23-59 and received the 3rd pick in the draft, which they used to select James Harden.


Would the Jazz FO have traded Allen and Lewis and handed the team over to the young guys the way SEA/OKC did? I think we know the answer to that one. The day the Jazz traded Deron Williams they should've followed it up by cleaning house the rest of the way, letting the young guys play and acquiring a few more lottery picks along the way.

Instead they've done this half-assed rebuild that's not helping anyone. It would be like if OKC had kept Allen and Rashard Lewis after drafting Durant and tried to make the playoffs with that core. Would Durant be the same player he is today if he was playing third fiddle to those guys? Would OKC have ended up with Westbrook or Harden? Seems unlikely.

The Jazz had a real opportunity to set this franchise up very nicely in the long term but they've sacrificed that chance for short-term revenue. I guess whatever keeps the Landcruisers rolling.
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https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1230709&p=34585514#p34585514

I agree with him 100%. I think the Jazz have screwed this situation up. They had a great opportunity to set ourselves up for the future, instead, they opted for a first round exit last year, another one this year (likely) and stifled growth for our youngsters.

Not to mention the fact that the decision to try and "win now at all costs" meant zero draft picks last year.

The Jazz would have been able to get Lillard last year because either a. they would have been worse than the Warriors, getting the pick, or b. they would not have beaten the Warriors in all those games last year meaning we get that pick and would be able to maneuver to get Lillard.

Bottom line, the Jazz have screwed themselves after the Deron trade when they should have traded guys in the way.

I know that this has been discussed, but I thought it was interesting to see the details of how the Thunder handled this.
 
You forgot the part about where SEA/OKC turned things over to Oden. Oh wait, they just got lucky that Portland biffed on that one.
 
nightmare3983 said:
You forgot the part about where SEA/OKC turned things over to Oden. Oh wait, they just got lucky that Portland biffed on that one.
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To be fair, Portland didn't "biff." Oden was the consensus #1. He would have been dominant if he wasn't made of glass.
 
Jefferson should have been sent packing almost immediately after the experiment that brought him here combusted. No DWill, no sloan, then bye bye. Millsap should have been traded at last year's deadline, when he was probably the best contract in the NBA, and certainly would have yielded a valuable pick.


(btw, Millsap is my favorite jazzman since Stock and Malone, but dealing him was probably the right decision.)
 
I don't know about all this fancy "mishandling trade" stuff. I am just glad our youth got that valuable playoff experience last spring. That obviously explains why we are now sitting in 7th place rather than the 8th place we ended in last year.
 
Growlor said:
I don't know about all this fancy "mishandling trade" stuff. I am just glad our youth got that valuable playoff experience last spring. That obviously explains why we are now sitting in 7th place rather than the 8th place we ended in last year.
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Pretty much this.
 
Durrrr said:
Would the Jazz FO have traded Allen and Lewis and handed the team over to the young guys the way SEA/OKC did? I think we know the answer to that one. The day the Jazz traded Deron Williams they should've followed it up by cleaning house the rest of the way, letting the young guys play and acquiring a few more lottery picks along the way.
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Which of the Jazz young guys would be as good as Durrant, even if they had "let the young guys play"?
 
colton said:
Which of the Jazz young guys would be as good as Durrant, even if they had "let the young guys play"?
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That's only part of the equation. Trade your vets, play your young'ns, draft well..

If we had done this last year we would have likely gotten a very good pick up of our own in the draft, this year's young guys would likely had been much further along, and we'd just be generally ahead of today rather than simply delaying a year.
 
The Jazz have been a good example on what to do but they've also been one on what not to Eg: Larry Miller not ponying up some extra money for just that one guy he needed to win two championships.
 
I used to be a KOC apologist and defend his draft history; however, I can no longer support that cause. The man has basically had 4 top ten picks in back to back drafts (I'm including Favors, and I know Burks was a 12th pick), and apparently not one of these guys can crack the starting line up of a mediocre team that has no all-stars. That either means that KOC made some awful picks or Corbin has truly failed in developing our young players. The truth probably lies somewhere in-between.
 
I always like the cherry picking of a successful team management ploy.

Clippers trade vets/play young'uns. How has that worked when they did it.

Washington is doing it right now.

Toronto did it when they shipped Vince Carter.

Would Denver count after Anthony trade?

I mean, when is the ACTUAL analysis going to take place?
 
Captain Keefe said:
This.
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I think you are missing the point.

We would have a very good idea of how good Favors and Hayward can be and a lot more data on Burks and Kanter at this point if they were playing a lot.

They are unknowns.

If they are great, we are in good shape. if they aren't we know that, and will be able to move forward looking for tha player in last years draft, this years and next year instead of this treadmill and stifle young players bs.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I always like the cherry picking of a successful team management ploy.

Clippers trade vets/play young'uns. How has that worked when they did it.

Washington is doing it right now.

Toronto did it when they shipped Vince Carter.

Would Denver count after Anthony trade?

I mean, when is the ACTUAL analysis going to take place?
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How about we just analyze this team. Do you think we would have been better to get the young guys more playing time last year and this .. or do it the way we've done it?
There's no right or wrong answer because we're guessing.

I have long since felt we should have played for the future success rather than what, feels like, managing like we're playing not to lose.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Y'all are some whiny bitches.
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I'm going to refer to you, lunaticwolf, etc as the "separate but equal" crowd. Never question the status quo, the management. The Jazz are flawless and above any kind of scrutiny. They know what is best and are therefore not to be challenged in their decisions and way of thinking. lol
 
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