Do you really want Josh Howard??

[Deleted member 848]

Uh, I'm Canadian. I think it's entirely reasonable for African Americans to not be patriotic.

Oh I agree. Its just that I've come across literature that call Canadians "unpatriotic", so its just one of those things I felt the need to point out. I would never resort to disliking Howard simply because he refrained from singing the anthem.

 

[MVP]

Stupidity aside he does not bring anything to the Jazz. Coming of injured ACL is no good either. So to answer OP question, no I do not want him on the Jazz.

 

[NAOS]

Josh Howard may be a pothead and I'm not sure how well thought-out his reasoning is here, but if his biggest problem is that he refuses to participate in the jingoistic, ritual farce that is the performance of the anthems. It's a sports event. The Mavericks do not represent the entire USA, nor do their opponents here. An NBA game is hardly the sort of formal occasion that calls for the playing of the national anthem.

I don't stand up for anthems, either. I guess the terrorists have won, then.

It's also the same Josh Howard who grew up in a bad neighbourhood in Winston-Salem without a father. Making millions as an adult hardly makes up for a bad childhood. It's not as if Josh Howard was born into millions.

Holy ****, JimLes is ****ing dominating this thread. Reppp'd! 104 posts, welcome to the board.

Where's Marcus?

 

[zross1]

It's also the same Josh Howard who grew up in a bad neighbourhood in Winston-Salem without a father. Making millions as an adult hardly makes up for a bad childhood. It's not as if Josh Howard was born into millions.

That has nothing to do with him being patriotic or not.

 

[NCJazz]

It's also the same Josh Howard who grew up in a bad neighbourhood in Winston-Salem without a father. Making millions as an adult hardly makes up for a bad childhood. It's not as if Josh Howard was born into millions.

No white person has ever had a bad childhood either. Fail!

 

[JimLes]

So none of you white folk think that black people on this continent were dealt a rough hand? Which continues to be pretty rough? You'd all trade places with an average black teenager in America or Canada?

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Josh Howard may be a pothead and I'm not sure how well thought-out his reasoning is here, but if his biggest problem is that he refuses to participate in the jingoistic, ritual farce that is the performance of the anthems. It's a sports event. The Mavericks do not represent the entire USA, nor do their opponents here. An NBA game is hardly the sort of formal occasion that calls for the playing of the national anthem.

I don't stand up for anthems, either. I guess the terrorists have won, then.

I stand and am respectful during anthems, but I don't hold my hand on my heart, as I don't see this as necessary as part of the show of respect. I do believe, however, that the ad nauseam repetition of the National Anthem and its attendant rituals cheapens it. Much like the ad nauseam recitation of prayers for every single stupid event in a not to be name dominant local religion. At some point, the endless repetition of ritual becomes ritual for ritual's sake and an exercise in social pressure and the meaning behind it becomes muted.

Plus, I don't like being pressured to wear my patriotism on my sleeve. I love my country as much as the next person, even if I don't feel the need to showcase this sentiment repeatedly.

 

[IBleedAggieBlue]

Not sure where he fits?? Hayward and CJ are our small forwards, then throw in Milsap (???) and Evans, not sure there is a place for him. I see Hayward and Miles getting most of the minutes here, with both of them potentially rotating throught the 2 with Burks and Bell. Just no room!! I kind of like this team as it is presently constituted.

PG: Harris, Watson, Tinsley
SG: Bell, Burks
SF: Hayward, Miles, Evans
PF: Favors, Milsap
C: Jefferson, Okur, Kanter

Extra: Carter (guy can shoot)

I think that it will be difficult for Corbin to find minutes for all these guys, especially if he goes small with Harris playing the 2 on occasion.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

No white person has ever had a bad childhood either. Fail!

EVeryone deals with different situations in any number of ways. Let's say someone kill both your parents then hands you a million dollars. Is the million dollars enough for you to ignore what happened to your parents? NO one handed any athlete millions of dollars they earned it. Now if Howard doesn't feel a jump out of his shoes patriotism to a country that treated his ancestors as dogs. I think that he is justified.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

As for disrespecting the national anthem: To me, the national anthem is symbolic, along with our flag, for all the men and women who have sacrificed blood, sweat and lives to protect the rights and freedom we enjoy on a daily basis. Anyone who uses the national anthem or our flag as a political/personal statement is showing they don't remember or appreciate what has been done for them. It's a very selfish approach, to be honest. I also think it does more harm to your position than helps.

Disagree. It is entirely feasible that someone remembers and appreciates what has been done for them, including the sacrifices those who have sacrificed to protect their rights and freedoms, and still choose to use the national anthem or flag as a political statement. It is also entirely feasible that they are just as patriotic as you. Challenging icons and iconographic status is a well-established and credible form of protest. To me the freedoms you and others claim that the others sacrificed for includes the freedom of political expression that is not confined within the bounds that the hyper-patriotic define for it.

 

[candrew]

So none of you white folk think that black people on this continent were dealt a rough hand? Which continues to be pretty rough? You'd all trade places with an average black teenager in America or Canada?

I think they should trade places with you and then drive off a cliff.

Really dude, take it somewhere else.

 

[Diamond77]

Yes it could be a good addition, but probably he will decide to sign with another team!