Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Mongoose]

When I sold my Harley I listed it for a price that I thought it was worth. I took good care of that bike and it was in really great shape. This guy kept calling me on it and making offers and I kept telling him that he is going to need to meet my asking price. He told me that the bank wouldn’t loan him that much money for it, so I told him to start saving his penny’s. He told me that I didn’t get to decide how much my bike was worth and I laughed in his face and sold it to someone for my asking price a week later.

 

[orange]

When I sold my Harley I listed it for a price that I thought it was worth. I took good care of that bike and it was in really great shape. This guy kept calling me on it and making offers and I kept telling him that he is going to need to meet my asking price. He told me that the bank wouldn’t loan him that much money for it, so I told him to start saving his penny’s. He told me that I didn’t get to decide how much my bike was worth and I laughed in his face and sold it to someone for my asking price a week later.

Not a very good analogy because the value of players is not clearly defined. Askin All the picks + Podziemski could be compared to asking the First guy for all his money + his wedding ring. The guy might say no but offer All his money + his stereo system + golf set which might be generally considered to have more value than the wedding ring.

(Of course the seller can always say no).

 

[TheStormofWar]

Not a very good analogy because the value of players is not clearly defined. Askin All the picks + Podziemski could be compared to asking the First guy for all his money + his wedding ring. The guy might say no but offer All his money + his stereo system + golf set which might be generally considered to have more value than the wedding ring.

(Of course the seller can always say no).

Actually it is a good one, simply because Ainge has a value for certain players. Either you meet the price or the player isn't coming over, such as we saw with Don a few years ago.

 

[fishonjazz]

Not a very good analogy because the value of players is not clearly defined. Askin All the picks + Podziemski could be compared to asking the First guy for all his money + his wedding ring. The guy might say no but offer All his money + his stereo system + golf set which might be generally considered to have more value than the wedding ring.

(Of course the seller can always say no).

But he don't give a **** about the stereo or golf set. He only wants all the money and the wedding ring.

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[Coach Ellis]

But he don't give a **** about the stereo or golf set. He only wants all the money and the wedding ring.

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And maybe a night with your wife. . .

 

[karl malone]

That's the thing tho....the Jazz don't want to trade Lauri and Lauri doesn't want to be traded. This is truly a "you're going to have to come up with a great offer to force our hand"...The Jazz aren't actively trying to get rid of Lauri

I agree that Lauri would prefer to stay & that it is definitely going to take an overpay for another team to acquire him but it seems pretty clear that our FO is actively looking to generate an acceptable offer for him. Otherwise why would they allow these rumors to persist, potentially upsetting the star that they're planning to build around?

I'm sure they would be comfortable with just extending & retaining Lauri for the time being if they don't receive the level of offer that they're seeking, but it seems pretty obvious imo that the FO wants to trade him for a haul. And I believe the rumor of not wanting to move him is just further posturing, similar to how it was rumored that we intended to build around Mitchell right after Gobert was traded.

Looking back, Ainge clearly had a plan all along. And trading Lauri was always part of it imo. Step 1 was to acquire draft picks, young talent (Kessler, Agbaji, THT, etc.) & flippable assets with the potential to increase in value (Lauri, Sexton, Collins, etc.). Step 2 is to cash in on those flippable assets & allow our young talent to develop, simultaneously positioning us near the top of two potentially historic draft classes.

Lauri's unexpected development may have caused the FO to genuinely consider pivoting & adding a 2nd star this off-season, although I believe those rumors to have been more posturing/raising prices for when it came time to deal him, but these persistent GSW rumors definitely seem to indicate that they are back to (or never left) wanting to trade Lauri. Just has to be at their price. I also believe GSW are being used for posturing, similar to NYK with Mitchell.

I'm sure we'd be okay with hanging onto Lauri, but plan A is clearly to trade him for a haul imo. As it always has been.

 

[HermanG]

I agree that Lauri would prefer to stay & that it is definitely going to take an overpay for another team to acquire him but it seems pretty clear that our FO is actively looking to generate an acceptable offer for him. Otherwise why would they allow these rumors to persist, potentially upsetting the star that they're planning to build around?

I'm sure they would be comfortable with just extending & retaining Lauri for the time being if they don't receive the level of offer that they're seeking, but it seems pretty obvious imo that the FO wants to trade him for a haul. And I believe the rumor of not wanting to move him is just further posturing, similar to how it was rumored that we intended to build around Mitchell right after Gobert was traded.

Looking back, Ainge clearly had a plan all along. And trading Lauri was always part of it imo. Step 1 was to acquire draft picks, young talent (Kessler, Agbaji, THT, etc.) & flippable assets with the potential to increase in value (Lauri, Sexton, Collins, etc.). Step 2 is to cash in on those flippable assets & allow our young talent to develop, simultaneously positioning us near the top of two potentially historic draft classes.

Lauri's unexpected development may have caused the FO to genuinely consider pivoting & adding a 2nd star this off-season, although I believe those rumors to have been more posturing/raising prices for when it came time to deal him, but these persistent GSW rumors definitely seem to indicate that they are back to (or never left) wanting to trade Lauri. Just has to be at their price. I also believe GSW are being used for posturing, similar to NYK with Mitchell.

I'm sure we'd be okay with hanging onto Lauri, but plan A is clearly to trade him for a haul imo. As it always has been.

Would have given you a like for the first part but you lost me at "this was Dannys plan all along" part.

He has been in read and react mode the past 2 years and still is. Hasnt done any truely committal moves either way. He is just tinkering on the fringes and taking care of the cap, while ensuring we add young talent and maintain our war chest.

 

[gomretat]

I agree that Lauri would prefer to stay & that it is definitely going to take an overpay for another team to acquire him but it seems pretty clear that our FO is actively looking to generate an acceptable offer for him. Otherwise why would they allow these rumors to persist, potentially upsetting the star that they're planning to build around?

I'm sure they would be comfortable with just extending & retaining Lauri for the time being if they don't receive the level of offer that they're seeking, but it seems pretty obvious imo that the FO wants to trade him for a haul. And I believe the rumor of not wanting to move him is just further posturing, similar to how it was rumored that we intended to build around Mitchell right after Gobert was traded.

Looking back, Ainge clearly had a plan all along. And trading Lauri was always part of it imo. Step 1 was to acquire draft picks, young talent (Kessler, Agbaji, THT, etc.) & flippable assets with the potential to increase in value (Lauri, Sexton, Collins, etc.). Step 2 is to cash in on those flippable assets & allow our young talent to develop, simultaneously positioning us near the top of two potentially historic draft classes.

Lauri's unexpected development may have caused the FO to genuinely consider pivoting & adding a 2nd star this off-season, although I believe those rumors to have been more posturing/raising prices for when it came time to deal him, but these persistent GSW rumors definitely seem to indicate that they are back to (or never left) wanting to trade Lauri. Just has to be at their price. I also believe GSW are being used for posturing, similar to NYK with Mitchell.

I'm sure we'd be okay with hanging onto Lauri, but plan A is clearly to trade him for a haul imo. As it always has been.

Ainge's "plan" is to be opportunistic. It is less of a plan than any professional team I have ever followed. It worked in Boston. I think he got incredibly lucky and I hope he gets incredibly lucky again.

 

[HermanG]

Hmm.. I know #tonewatch is on a rather low number but reading that @karl malone post got me thinking about one thing.

If we assume plan A at this very moment is to "keep Lauri" then DA is actually playing with fire by keeping this trade request alive. What stops Lauri from waking up one morning feeling sick and tired of being dangled out there for such a long time? What if he suddenly tells someone that he is unhappy with how the FO is handling this thing, or even worse that he has had a change of heart and wants to move on and be traded to a contender.

Are we absolutely sure that this trade is not plan A instead of plan B? I mean if Lauri is on board and wants to go there and lets Danny conduct business with a promise that it gets worked out, then it would be easy for him to promise he keeps quiet until the FO has conducted their business. If he was excluded from all this, then that "**** this" moment is a major risk as if Lauri gives ANY indication he wont re-sign here then DA loses most of his leverage and we are suddenly talking about a different type of deal.

I mean GSW must have had some assurances that he is willing to go there and sign a new contract there or they wouldn't be this deep into this. If so, then it begs the question which one would he rather do?

 

[kcgar]

Yeah, you're conflating two things exactly as I said in my post. You're talking about the first thing I mentioned. Both end up in the same result, which is no trade.

I'm not conflating it. The second part doesn't need to be said. It is moot because the Jazz will not accept that. Tony confirmed that.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Unless someone gets desperate and sends an unreusable offer over Markkanen ain’t getting traded this year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hmm.. I know #tonewatch is on a rather low number but reading that @karl malone post got me thinking about one thing.

If we assume plan A at this very moment is to "keep Lauri" then DA is actually playing with fire by keeping this trade request alive. What stops Lauri from waking up one morning feeling sick and tired of being dangled out there for such a long time? What if he suddenly tells someone that he is unhappy with how the FO is handling this thing, or even worse that he has had a change of heart and wants to move on and be traded to a contender.

Are we absolutely sure that this trade is not plan A instead of plan B? I mean if Lauri is on board and wants to go there and lets Danny conduct business with a promise that it gets worked out, then it would be easy for him to promise he keeps quiet until the FO has conducted their business. If he was excluded from all this, then that "**** this" moment is a major risk as if Lauri gives ANY indication he wont re-sign here then DA loses most of his leverage and we are suddenly talking about a different type of deal.

I mean GSW must have had some assurances that he is willing to go there and sign a new contract there or they wouldn't be this deep into this. If so, then it begs the question which one would he rather do?

Tone watch is at 12%

There is no plan. "no plan" is the plan. Its either GS comes with Podz and teh picks or we keeps Lauri. Figure out the rest later.

 

[HermanG]

Tone watch is at 12%

There is no plan. "no plan" is the plan. Its either GS comes with Podz and teh picks or we keeps Lauri. Figure out the rest later.

Arent you at all worried about this lingering discussion being Don trade all over again?

I mean it would be weird to keep this thing alive for this long and take the risk that Lauri gets tired of it. Its been 3 weeks and I bet he gets a lot of interview requests and such as this thing keeps dragging.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Arent you at all worried about this lingering discussion being Don trade all over again?

I mean it would be weird to keep this thing alive for this long and take the risk that Lauri gets tired of it. Its been 3 weeks and I bet he gets a lot of interview requests and such as this thing keeps dragging.

Not really. I think Lauri ultimately would want to get his extension and that can only happen here. If we dragged our feet on an extension that is when I see him getting angry or frustrated. I wouldn't say we are dragging this thing out. It has an end date approaching. I think they have given their price... we have given our price. Now we see who blinks. I doubt they are having like active daily discussions on it. Its also out in the public for the most part now.. so if a "secret" team wants to make a bid they know the rough asking price.

I think with this one we have a real chance both sides dig in and say no. So I give it a 12% chance of happening. Something could change that of course on either side. The most likely way I see it happening is if GS caves. IDK that DA has a preferred path.

 

[framer]

I agree that Lauri would prefer to stay & that it is definitely going to take an overpay for another team to acquire him but it seems pretty clear that our FO is actively looking to generate an acceptable offer for him. Otherwise why would they allow these rumors to persist, potentially upsetting the star that they're planning to build around?

I'm sure they would be comfortable with just extending & retaining Lauri for the time being if they don't receive the level of offer that they're seeking, but it seems pretty obvious imo that the FO wants to trade him for a haul. And I believe the rumor of not wanting to move him is just further posturing, similar to how it was rumored that we intended to build around Mitchell right after Gobert was traded.

Looking back, Ainge clearly had a plan all along. And trading Lauri was always part of it imo. Step 1 was to acquire draft picks, young talent (Kessler, Agbaji, THT, etc.) & flippable assets with the potential to increase in value (Lauri, Sexton, Collins, etc.). Step 2 is to cash in on those flippable assets & allow our young talent to develop, simultaneously positioning us near the top of two potentially historic draft classes.

Lauri's unexpected development may have caused the FO to genuinely consider pivoting & adding a 2nd star this off-season, although I believe those rumors to have been more posturing/raising prices for when it came time to deal him, but these persistent GSW rumors definitely seem to indicate that they are back to (or never left) wanting to trade Lauri. Just has to be at their price. I also believe GSW are being used for posturing, similar to NYK with Mitchell.

I'm sure we'd be okay with hanging onto Lauri, but plan A is clearly to trade him for a haul imo. As it always has been.

The argument against that was trading Bojan for Olynyk. That was definitely a "let's see what happens" move.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree that Lauri would prefer to stay & that it is definitely going to take an overpay for another team to acquire him but it seems pretty clear that our FO is actively looking to generate an acceptable offer for him. Otherwise why would they allow these rumors to persist, potentially upsetting the star that they're planning to build around?

I'm sure they would be comfortable with just extending & retaining Lauri for the time being if they don't receive the level of offer that they're seeking, but it seems pretty obvious imo that the FO wants to trade him for a haul. And I believe the rumor of not wanting to move him is just further posturing, similar to how it was rumored that we intended to build around Mitchell right after Gobert was traded.

Looking back, Ainge clearly had a plan all along. And trading Lauri was always part of it imo. Step 1 was to acquire draft picks, young talent (Kessler, Agbaji, THT, etc.) & flippable assets with the potential to increase in value (Lauri, Sexton, Collins, etc.). Step 2 is to cash in on those flippable assets & allow our young talent to develop, simultaneously positioning us near the top of two potentially historic draft classes.

Lauri's unexpected development may have caused the FO to genuinely consider pivoting & adding a 2nd star this off-season, although I believe those rumors to have been more posturing/raising prices for when it came time to deal him, but these persistent GSW rumors definitely seem to indicate that they are back to (or never left) wanting to trade Lauri. Just has to be at their price. I also believe GSW are being used for posturing, similar to NYK with Mitchell.

I'm sure we'd be okay with hanging onto Lauri, but plan A is clearly to trade him for a haul imo. As it always has been.

Plan A is tank with Lauri and get Cooper Flagg

 

[framer]

Arent you at all worried about this lingering discussion being Don trade all over again?

I mean it would be weird to keep this thing alive for this long and take the risk that Lauri gets tired of it. Its been 3 weeks and I bet he gets a lot of interview requests and such as this thing keeps dragging.

Meh, if Lauri isn't excited about going to the Warriors the trade won't happen either. Lauri would need to give the Warriors a indication that he will not leave after a year. Ultimately he would get to decide if he wants to compete for a ring next year or just get paid as much as he can and stay in Utah.

 

[underdog]

Trying to catch up with this thread and it gets me dizzy. Anyway, I don’t think we’ll get an offer that will justify moving Lauri this offseason. For me this thing is simple: if he is willing, you R&E him, tank with him, and see what players are available next summer. If our game hunting fails then again, we could consider moving him (we likely could get a better deal/return, and at this point even Lauri might prefer to leave rather than tanking yet another season).

 

[underdog]

Hmm.. I know #tonewatch is on a rather low number but reading that @karl malone post got me thinking about one thing.

If we assume plan A at this very moment is to "keep Lauri" then DA is actually playing with fire by keeping this trade request alive. What stops Lauri from waking up one morning feeling sick and tired of being dangled out there for such a long time? What if he suddenly tells someone that he is unhappy with how the FO is handling this thing, or even worse that he has had a change of heart and wants to move on and be traded to a contender.

Are we absolutely sure that this trade is not plan A instead of plan B? I mean if Lauri is on board and wants to go there and lets Danny conduct business with a promise that it gets worked out, then it would be easy for him to promise he keeps quiet until the FO has conducted their business. If he was excluded from all this, then that "**** this" moment is a major risk as if Lauri gives ANY indication he wont re-sign here then DA loses most of his leverage and we are suddenly talking about a different type of deal.

I mean GSW must have had some assurances that he is willing to go there and sign a new contract there or they wouldn't be this deep into this. If so, then it begs the question which one would he rather do?

If I were Lauri, I wouldn’t give any assurances (about signing a contract) to any team before knowing how things go for me with this team. As a free agent, he would be able consider other teams as well.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

If I were Lauri, I wouldn’t give any assurances (about signing a contract) to any team before knowing how things go for me with this team. As a free agent, he would be able consider other teams as well.

I'm not sure what cap space is looking like for 2025? Normally good teams don't have cap space and so the team with Bird rights has a significant advantage.

Lauri leaving in free agency is still a huge risk that any team who trades for him would need to take in to consideration though.