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str8line said:
You're mixed up. The guy with severe mental issues and delusions of grandeur was the target.
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I hope to see Trump lose the election as much as anyone, but this is a strong claim. Who's the puppet master here, and how did it operate? This seems to go far beyond any evidence we know of yet.
 
Some things about this Routh guy that we seem to know now (subject to change, of course):
  • Supported Trump (2016), Tulsi Gabbard (2020) and maybe Biden once he got the nomination, Vivek-Hayley (2024). Seems to have turned against the first two over time in some part due to Ukraine issues. Also seems to have supported Biden-Harris to some degree in 2024. Apparently registered independent but most recent primary participation was in democratic primary
  • Donated several (very small) amounts to Act Blue especially around 2020
  • Professed to be very strong supporter of Ukraine and Taiwan against Russia and China
  • Seems to have tried to recruit an army of Afghan foreign fighters in both of the two causes above. Seems to have had virtually no success at all in persuading others to join him or to have any influence with the leaders of those states. No evidence of any support by US either. At least some involved with the pro-Ukraine cause seemed to regard him as an unhinged rogue actor.
  • Has a long crime record including weapons charges. Some of the other charges are not completely clear but likely include failure to pay taxes and (construction) business related complaints. Apparently no record of any significant time served.
  • Made open invitations on Twitter during the pandemic to both Kim Jong Un and Hong Kong democracy protesters to join him in Hawaii. In the case of Kim, he seemed to think that he'd be able to persuade the American public that Kim's just a regular guy; and that this change in heart of the American public would open the way to peace between North and South Korea
  • Reached out to various singers through at least Twitter to try to persuade them to get a "We are the World" type of song for Ukraine shortly after the Russian invasion, including: Bono/U2, Dave Matthews Band, Sting, Jack Johnson, Kings of Leon, Bruno Mars
  • His son has seemed to confirm in interviews that he hated Trump, though the son also says that he can't imagine his father as violent
I'd say that these are some of the more "solid" things we seem to know about him (and some of this might prove to be incorrect). Beyond these things, it seems like we're moving much more into speculation.
 
Oh, I guess we can add some Hawaii political participation to the things we think we know:
  • Routh participated as a construction business in (and advocated politically for) a scheme to build small box houses for Hawaii's homeless
  • Offered to government officials to personally pay the costs to close off a controversial hiking trail that some say was overhiked and dangerous
 
idiot said:
I hope to see Trump lose the election as much as anyone, but this is a strong claim. Who's the puppet master here, and how did it operate? This seems to go far beyond any evidence we know of yet.
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Why does there need to be a puppet master?

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idiot said:
Apparently registered independent but most recent primary participation was in democratic primary.
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Just wanted to point out that this part means nothing.
I'm registered independent. I wanted to vote on the Republican primaries but the Republican party doesn't allow independents to vote in their primary. The Democratic party does allow me to vote in their primaries though.


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fishonjazz said:
Just wanted to point out that this part means nothing.
I'm registered independent. I wanted to vote on the Republican primaries but the Republican party doesn't allow independents to vote in their primary. The Democratic party does allow me to vote in their primaries though.


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Exactly. Up to recently, it was a pretty common thing in Utah for Democrats to vote in Republican primaries for their "candidate of choice" because Dems are otherwise non sequitur in the state.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Exactly. Up to recently, it was a pretty common thing in Utah for Democrats to vote in Republican primaries for their "candidate of choice" because Dems are otherwise non sequitur in the state.
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Like many of the other things we think we know this "fact" may or may not useful in helping us understand what led Routh to do what he's accused of doing. But North Carolina (as a swing state) does not have the same structural incentives as those that exist in Utah for independents/democrats to vote in republican primaries (or vice versa). So I think there needs to be a better explanation if you want to label him as a republican who chose to vote democrat in order to make his voice heard.

I mean, is having him cross over politically just for the primary possible? Sure, anything's possible. Is it likely or even something that has a decent probability? I have a harder time seeing that without something more persuasive than the Utah analogy.

EDIT: It's possible I may be misunderstanding your point. At least fish's comment that you're referring to seems to be more about where independents are allowed to vote in primaries. Is that your point? Upon first reading, it seemed your point was more about where independents vote to best make their voice heard (without reference to which party either does or doesn't allow their participation).
 
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Typically presidential assassins have a profile. They're usually very low information, narcissistic, and want to make a name for themselves. Nothing more nothing less.

Quite frankly, Routhe reminds me of some posters here.

Voted for Trump in 2016. Voted for Biden in 2020. Became enamored with Gabbard. Then ended up wanting Vivek and Haley.

Trying to track that ideology is like trying to follow Jazzy's trolling on this website.

There's just no set of principles or ideology for Routhe. Just a rudderless narcissist wanting to make a name for himself. Yet another lowlife who had way too easy of a time getting his hands on a lethal weapon. This shouldn't happen in a civilized society. Unfortunately, we're the only industrialized country on earth that wants to provide any rube his own personal arsonal without any regulation.
 
Good news:



"The Washington, D.C trial judge Tanya Chutkan is currently considering how to proceed after the Supreme Court ruled on July 1 that Trump's presidential actions would have broad immunity from prosecution for presidential acts.

Her decision could be affected by Monday's decision by an Arizona federal judge.

Liberal-leaning attorney and legal analyst Norm Eisen wrote on X, formerly Twitter, on Monday that Meadows' loss was bad news for Trump.

"Big loss for former Trump WH CoS Mark Meadows in Az, where he was trying to remove his state criminal case to federal court. DENIED because his 2020 coup conduct was unofficial. Suggests Trump's coup activity in his DC criminal case was also unofficial—& so not immune!" he wrote.

New York University law professor Ryan Goodman wrote that a federal court "rejecting Mark Meadows' removal claim in Arizona signals how the DC court will most likely reject Trump's immunity claim."
 
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