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What are the charges?
The charges are the result of a more than two-year investigation by the Fulton County district attorney’s office, and come after a Georgia special grand jury report on Trump’s interference in the 2020 election that recommended prosecutors seek charges based on interviews with 75 witnesses. They are as follows:- Violation of Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act
- Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (three counts)
- Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer
- Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree (two counts)
- Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings (two counts)
- Conspiracy to commit filing false documents
- Filing false documents
- False statements and writings (two counts)
Trump’s Georgia indictment, briefly explained
It’s the fourth time that Trump has been indicted.
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“Now one of the two major parties has not ruled out a front-runner charged with conspiring to subvert democracy, endangering national security, obstructing justice and falsifying records of hush money to a pornographic film star.
Mr. Trump has moved the lines so far that supporters — including most of his Republican opponents for next year’s presidential nomination — show no signs of turning against him no matter how many indictments are issued, a testament to how much he has forced his party to embrace his martyrdom narrative. The notion that a rap sheet with multiple felonies would not be automatically disqualifying would have stunned the 44 presidents who came before him, including the Republicans.
“It’s just another norm he’s smashed,” said Jennifer Palmieri, a longtime Democratic strategist who worked for Hillary Clinton’s campaign against Mr. Trump in 2016. “The indictments have failed to upset the fundamental dynamic that keeps Trump strong — his supporters’ rock-solid belief that he is on their side.”
What are the charges?
The charges are the result of a more than two-year investigation by the Fulton County district attorney’s office, and come after a Georgia special grand jury report on Trump’s interference in the 2020 election that recommended prosecutors seek charges based on interviews with 75 witnesses. They are as follows:
To convict Trump, Georgia prosecutors would have to prove the existence of a racketeering “enterprise” and a pattern of racketeering based on at least two “qualifying” crimes. Racketeering is a form of organized criminal activity that involves operating illegal schemes (such as extortion or trying to overturn an election), often in a systematic and coordinated manner, by using intimidation, coercion, and manipulation. It’s a serious charge of which members of groups ranging from the Mafia to FIFA have been convicted.
- Violation of Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act
- Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (three counts)
- Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer
- Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree (two counts)
- Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings (two counts)
- Conspiracy to commit filing false documents
- Filing false documents
- False statements and writings (two counts)
Trump’s Georgia indictment, briefly explained
It’s the fourth time that Trump has been indicted.
23SC188947 - CRIMINAL INDICTMENT
The house of tards is collapsing.
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So appropriate to see Donald Trump pegged as a racketeer. I’ve always felt he always admired mob bosses, and viewed the office of the presidency as the headquarters of his own mob. We put a mafioso-type in the Oval Office. If you recognized that that is what was happening when he won in 2016, well, of course the succeeding years have all been jaw dropping.
Despite the ease with which this man could be recognized for what he was, by many Americans, he nonetheless was seen as fulfilling a need for millions of other Americans. All the more reason to understand what needs those were, what conditions in American society facilitated the elevation of such a man, and at just this particular time in our history.
This is one reason why I looked at the extremes of “Trump worship”, and why it is illuminating to do so, both in his incorporation into the QAnon mythos, and in his elevation in the most far right Christian groups, even producing a movie seeing him as having been sent by God. Those are some serious “needs” being met by a Mafioso-type character. (It’s an interesting area for research, I do believe: https://bigthink.com/the-present/was-trump-anointed-by-god/……https://apnews.com/article/donald-t...iracy-theory-670c45bd71b3466dcd6e8e188badcd1d)
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Despite the ease with which this man could be recognized for what he was, by many Americans, he nonetheless was seen as fulfilling a need for millions of other Americans. All the more reason to understand what needs those were, what conditions in American society facilitated the elevation of such a man, and at just this particular time in our history.
This is one reason why I looked at the extremes of “Trump worship”, and why it is illuminating to do so, both in his incorporation into the QAnon mythos, and in his elevation in the most far right Christian groups, even producing a movie seeing him as having been sent by God. Those are some serious “needs” being met by a Mafioso-type character. (It’s an interesting area for research, I do believe: https://bigthink.com/the-present/was-trump-anointed-by-god/……https://apnews.com/article/donald-t...iracy-theory-670c45bd71b3466dcd6e8e188badcd1d)
What is racketeering? Trump charged with mafia-busting law in Georgia
Mr Trump and others face charges under the Rico Act for alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
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The Takedown: How anti-Mafia laws may be used against Donald Trump
Since RICO Laws were passed in America, they have resulted in some high-profile arrests – and may lead to the prosecution of Donald Trump.
www.newstalk.com
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I can't see the RICO charge sticking, but I like it.What are the charges?
The charges are the result of a more than two-year investigation by the Fulton County district attorney’s office, and come after a Georgia special grand jury report on Trump’s interference in the 2020 election that recommended prosecutors seek charges based on interviews with 75 witnesses. They are as follows:
To convict Trump, Georgia prosecutors would have to prove the existence of a racketeering “enterprise” and a pattern of racketeering based on at least two “qualifying” crimes. Racketeering is a form of organized criminal activity that involves operating illegal schemes (such as extortion or trying to overturn an election), often in a systematic and coordinated manner, by using intimidation, coercion, and manipulation. It’s a serious charge of which members of groups ranging from the Mafia to FIFA have been convicted.
- Violation of Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act
- Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (three counts)
- Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer
- Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree (two counts)
- Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings (two counts)
- Conspiracy to commit filing false documents
- Filing false documents
- False statements and writings (two counts)
Trump’s Georgia indictment, briefly explained
It’s the fourth time that Trump has been indicted.
23SC188947 - CRIMINAL INDICTMENT
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Stop the steal!What are the charges?
The charges are the result of a more than two-year investigation by the Fulton County district attorney’s office, and come after a Georgia special grand jury report on Trump’s interference in the 2020 election that recommended prosecutors seek charges based on interviews with 75 witnesses. They are as follows:
To convict Trump, Georgia prosecutors would have to prove the existence of a racketeering “enterprise” and a pattern of racketeering based on at least two “qualifying” crimes. Racketeering is a form of organized criminal activity that involves operating illegal schemes (such as extortion or trying to overturn an election), often in a systematic and coordinated manner, by using intimidation, coercion, and manipulation. It’s a serious charge of which members of groups ranging from the Mafia to FIFA have been convicted.
- Violation of Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act
- Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (three counts)
- Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer
- Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree (two counts)
- Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings (two counts)
- Conspiracy to commit filing false documents
- Filing false documents
- False statements and writings (two counts)
Trump’s Georgia indictment, briefly explained
It’s the fourth time that Trump has been indicted.
23SC188947 - CRIMINAL INDICTMENT
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Lindsey Graham: Don’t Indict Trump, or Impeach Him, or Vote Against Him
The opponents of criminalizing Trump’s coup attempt prefer to hand him power.
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This, and the aftermath, will be really interesting. I'm glad I'm not a lawyer right about now.
Trump's supposed co-conspirators are his attorneys, and Georgia has charged them. If you've ever been sued or been involved with the legal system then you know lawyers are allowed to get away with a lot. They can defame you in court. They are allowed to float crackpot theories in an effort to sew a seed of doubt. This new way that Georgia is going about this indictment is akin to a criminal defense lawyer advising a plea of not guilty to his client, to then have the state charge the lawyer as party to the crime on account of the legal advice he gave to the criminal.
In the short term it will make it very hard for Trump to get lawyers. In the longer term it should make lawyers on the other side very nervous because in politics turnabout is considered fair play. If Trump's lawyers are being prosecuted today, it could very easily lead to lawyers on the other side being prosecuted tomorrow. It is not a surprise at all to me that in the wake of the indictment of Trump's lawyers, this news broke an hour ago:
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Jon Meacham Gets Blunt About Trump’s 4th Indictment: ‘This Was a Coup D’Etat’ (Video)
"I use this word very, very advisably, I’m not just popping off here," the presidential historian says on "Morning Joe" The post Jon Meacham Gets Blunt About Trump’s 4th Indictment: ‘This Was a Coup D’Etat’ (Video) appeared first on TheWrap.
“You have this whole cast of characters who’ve been indicted now in Fulton County who were attempting – and I use this word very, very advisably, I’m not just popping off here – this was a coup d’etat. This was an attempt to seize power that was not legitimately granted by the electoral processes of the Constitution of the United States. Full stop. That’s what it was.”
“The test for all of us is are we up to obeying the rule of law, even when it goes a way we may not like? It’s a fundamental question,” he said, before pondering the surprising number of Trump followers who are refusing to accept the law.
“A surprisingly large chunk of the country – at least, surprising to me – will follow the now four-times indicted former president to the edge of a cliff and possibly over that cliff. The question is, do enough of those folks believe in the rule of law? Do they believe in the evidence of their own eyes, and let’s just say their own ears because he’s recorded?”
To my understanding, lawyers are not allowed to help their client break the law. They are not allowed to lie to the court/judge/jury. There is nothing in these charges that amounts to "legal advice" given.
Sewing a seed does sound like something a Trump lawyer would do.
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What is the narrative about why none of the Jan 6th protesters brought guns to this violent insurrection? I'm not a big gun nut, but if I was going to overthrow the American government I'd want to go with folks who brought some guns.Jon Meacham Gets Blunt About Trump’s 4th Indictment: ‘This Was a Coup D’Etat’ (Video)
"I use this word very, very advisably, I’m not just popping off here," the presidential historian says on "Morning Joe" The post Jon Meacham Gets Blunt About Trump’s 4th Indictment: ‘This Was a Coup D’Etat’ (Video) appeared first on TheWrap.www.yahoo.com
“You have this whole cast of characters who’ve been indicted now in Fulton County who were attempting – and I use this word very, very advisably, I’m not just popping off here – this was a coup d’etat. This was an attempt to seize power that was not legitimately granted by the electoral processes of the Constitution of the United States. Full stop. That’s what it was.”
“The test for all of us is are we up to obeying the rule of law, even when it goes a way we may not like? It’s a fundamental question,” he said, before pondering the surprising number of Trump followers who are refusing to accept the law.
“A surprisingly large chunk of the country – at least, surprising to me – will follow the now four-times indicted former president to the edge of a cliff and possibly over that cliff. The question is, do enough of those folks believe in the rule of law? Do they believe in the evidence of their own eyes, and let’s just say their own ears because he’s recorded?”
That this is not true.
Jan. 6 defendants were armed with guns, other weapons, documents show
President Donald Trump claimed on Fox News that there were no guns in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 20
www.politifact.com
Mongoose
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I would expect many, many, many more guns at a planned and orchestrated attempt by terrorists groups to overthrow the US government. I dunno? These idiots thought they'd overthrow the government with pepper spray and sticks?That this is not true.
Jan. 6 defendants were armed with guns, other weapons, documents show
President Donald Trump claimed on Fox News that there were no guns in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 20
How many of the hundreds of charges even included violence let alone guns?
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In Trump We Trust.
They thought they'd be greeted as liberators...
Mongoose
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Weren't they terrorists groups though? Even if that's what they thought I'd expect more guns.