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str8line said:
Trump's playbook is well-worn by now: Claim the odds are "rigged" against him — in debates, in elections and in courtrooms — and then ride the outrage if he loses.
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LogGrad98 said:
They better keep the temperature way way down on the stage so the orange snowflake doesn't melt.
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Of course then he would say that they rigged the debate by making it so cold for him.
Like he complained about in the courtroom during his trial

Always the victim

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Newly released photos from FBI's Mar-a-Lago search show Trump keepsakes alongside sensitive records

Photos included as exhibits in a court filing from special counsel Jack Smith show former President Donald Trump's keepsakes alongside sensitive government records.
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The photos taken by Walt Nauta, an aide to Trump, in late December 2021 show boxes in a storage room at Mar-a-Lago that had fallen over, their contents spilled onto the floor.

Prosecutors said that one of those fallen boxes, identified in court filings as A-35, contained a classified record that the FBI recovered during its August 2022 search. A photo taken by the FBI during the search shows stacks of boxes, including A-35, in the storage room at Mar-a-Lago, roughly eight months after Nauta sent a text message that included the images of the fallen boxes.

Smith said in his filing that the classified record in box A-35 underlies Count 8 of the indictment, which describes the document as dated Oct. 4, 2019, and concerns "military capabilities of a foreign country." The record has a "SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY" classification marking, according to the indictment. FVEY is the Five Eyes intelligence alliance comprised of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the U.S. and the United Kingdom.



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Trump's conviction in New York extends losing streak with jurors to 0-42 in recent cases

Former President Donald Trump and his company have been unable to win over a single juror, out of 42 total, in recent criminal and civil trials.
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Trump and his company have been unable to win over a single juror, out of 42 total, in recent criminal and civil trials.

"It's a very remarkable thing. In all these jurors, he didn't succeed in getting one, not one person," said criminal defense attorney Robert McWhirter.

The juries — two in state criminal trials and two in federal civil trials — have unanimously and quickly ruled against Trump.

"I'm sure there are people on those juries who voted for him, just by a statistical probability. There had to have been a certain percentage who actually voted for Donald Trump, and yet he could not succeed in getting one of them to go his way," said McWhirter.

Valerie Hans, a professor at Cornell Law School and one of the nation's leading scholars on the jury system, said jurors typically follow the evidence and tend to reach consensus based on what they're presented.

"Most of the research says when you have substantial evidence favoring guilt, or supporting acquittal, the verdict follows the evidence," Hans said.

Hans said jury selection was "super careful." Justice Juan Merchan excused people as soon as they indicated they couldn't be impartial.

"Huge numbers of people said they couldn't be fair to Trump, and they were booted off without more discussion," Hans said, adding that Merchan then allowed lawyers "more latitude than is typical" when questioning those who remained.

Judgments in federal civil trials still need to be unanimous. Across the four trials, Trump's lawyers called just six total witnesses. They opted instead, in all of the cases, to focus on cross-examining prosecutors' and plaintiffs' witnesses, in an effort to cast doubt on the cases against Trump.

It didn't work.


Trump has so so so many losses in court dating back decades. That's not even counting all the cases that he brought on his own that were thrown out.

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Trump not immune from prosecution outside of Presidential duties. So the documents trial should go forward, but can he stop it if he's elected? What about Jan. 6 since they'll argue it was Presidential duties of course, does that question return to the Supreme Court?
 
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str8line said:
Trump not immune from prosecution outside of Presidential duties. So the documents trial should go forward, but can he stop it if he's elected? What about Jan. 6 since they'll argue it was Presidential duties of course, does that question return to the Supreme Court?
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Sending fake electors isn't a presidential duty imo. Trying to get the VP to not certify the votes isn't a presidential duty imo. Telling state reps to find votes that don't exist isn't a presidential duty imo. Sitting around and watching the capitol and Congress be attacked and doing nothing about it isn't a presidents duty imo.

But ya, if he gets elected then all that goes away.

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str8line said:
The best people. At colluding to interfere with the election and obstructing the investigation of that treasonous activity:

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Trump ally Steve Bannon surrenders to federal prison to serve 4-month sentence on contempt charges

Longtime Trump ally Steve Bannon has been taken into custody after surrendering at a federal prison to begin a four-month sentence on contempt charges.
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Also: Bannon is also facing criminal charges in New York state court alleging he duped donors who gave money to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The build the wall fund and stop the steal fund were both just ways for Trump to steal from his flock. Just like trump university and the trump foundation (his charity he stole from)

This is who trump is. It's shocking that people don't realize what a scam artist crook he is after all these years


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Well, no surprises from the most corrupt supreme Court we've ever had. Sad day. They got us one step closer to the dictatorship that was promised. Picking the Constitution apart, bit by bit

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Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have broad immunity, dimming chance of a pre-election Trump trial

The justices rejected Trump's immunity claims in a ruling that left for another day the issue of whether former presidents can ever insulate themselves from criminal charges for officials acts they took while in office.
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LogGrad98 said:
Well, no surprises from the most corrupt supreme Court we've ever had. Sad day. They got us one step closer to the dictatorship that was promised. Picking the Constitution apart, bit by bit

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Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have broad immunity, dimming chance of a pre-election Trump trial

The justices rejected Trump's immunity claims in a ruling that left for another day the issue of whether former presidents can ever insulate themselves from criminal charges for officials acts they took while in office.
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Ya there is no real definition of "official act"
In the article it talks about the president taking bribes in order to appoint someone to a government position. It's pretty murky on whether there would be a way to punish a president for that act since appointing people to positions is definitely an official act. We know trump is a grifter and is in love with money. I could totally see him offering government positions (secretary of state and the like) to the highest bidder and simply making bank during his presidency knowing that he won't get in any trouble for it.

And then there is this: “Almost anything that a president does with the executive branch is characterized as an official act,” he said on a call with reporters following the ruling. He said that “for any unscrupulous individual holding the seat of the Oval Office who might lose an election, the way I read this opinion is it could be a roadmap for them seeking to stay in power.”. You know, like trump just did in 2020. That type of **** could become the norm.

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fishonjazz said:
Also: Bannon is also facing criminal charges in New York state court alleging he duped donors who gave money to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The build the wall fund and stop the steal fund were both just ways for Trump to steal from his flock. Just like trump university and the trump foundation (his charity he stole from)

This is who trump is. It's shocking that people don't realize what a scam artist crook he is after all these years


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And the Trump lighter he's hawking. The commercial shows it setting a Biden campaign poster aflame, so it's the best lighter ever.
 
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Lol the hate speech Christian hate cult mad that people cant arrest sitting presidents. All while childishly and cult likely calling others threats even though they don't even know what threats they mean. Not even smart enough to use words and explain themselves. These types of scary *** people are the threats. Like massive threats... I mean they are angry that they can't do what Hitler, Mao, Stalin did. They are pissed. The threats are extremely pissed.

'YO U CeWllitst Are A ThRET!!!"

Nah, I don't want to be able to arrest a president like you did for political purposes no matter the party. Be pissed you hypocritical threats.
 
I have still never seen a president get arrested in my lifetime.

Weird that some people think they have.

I did see a US president try to extort/blackmail another president into investigating the US presidents political opponent though.

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Dissenting opinions.

www.motherjones.com

“The president is now a king”: The most blistering lines from dissents in the Trump immunity case

"Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune."
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This is how Sotomayor put it:

The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country, and possibly the world. When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military dissenting coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today.
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Jackson made a similar and distressing point:

Thus, even a hypothetical President who admits to having ordered the assassinations of his political rivals or critics, or one who indisputably instigates an unsuccessful coup has a fair shot at getting immunity under the majority’s new Presidential accountability model
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Red said:
Dissenting opinions.

www.motherjones.com

“The president is now a king”: The most blistering lines from dissents in the Trump immunity case

"Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune."
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This is how Sotomayor put it:


Jackson made a similar and distressing point:
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The one thing we can hold onto is thinking about how this will all flip when it is a democratic president doing it. They do realize they just set the blueprint for Biden to hold onto power too, right? I would almost want to see that. Let the conservative majority SC members pat themselves on the back, then have Biden hold onto his office through a coup they made legal. Oh the hoops they would try to jump through then to reverse it. See this is something very interesting on our country. The SC feels comfortable doing this because they believe their ideologically supported leadership might need to engage in this kind of activity to maintain power AND they trust the other side to actually respect the rule of law, and the spirit in which the law was intended, and so to NOT engage in this kind of behavior. Somewhat telling about our political divide. Republicans are expected to break the law, democrats are expected to uphold it.
 
Sardines said:
I hope I live long enough to see this decision overturned.

Also, I hope the U.S. is around long enough to overturn it.
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You might not get either of those wishes, sadly.

But as far as the 2nd one, it might still call itself the United States. But it may be far far from the ideals envisioned by the founding fathers and what made those of us who called ourselves proud to be Americans proud in the first place. I will not be proud to be in a dictatorship run by the right-wing demagogues, even if it still calls itself the United States. Then, I will be hoping for some states to secede so we can have somewhere to go that still believes in our constitutional ideals. No Gilead for me, thank you very much.
 
LogGrad98 said:
You might not get either of those wishes, sadly.

But as far as the 2nd one, it might still call itself the United States. But it may be far far from the ideals envisioned by the founding fathers and what made those of us who called ourselves proud to be Americans proud in the first place. I will not be proud to be in a dictatorship run by the right-wing demagogues, even if it still calls itself the United States. Then, I will be hoping for some states to secede so we can have somewhere to go that still believes in our constitutional ideals. No Gilead for me, thank you very much.
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This is the legacy of wedge politics 40 years of pitting people against each other has created all sorts of fault lines and both sides of politics have exploited it. North South, Urban Rural, Black White, so many different ways to pit poor people against each other while the wealthy maintain their class interest above it all.
 
Red said:
Dissenting opinions.

www.motherjones.com

“The president is now a king”: The most blistering lines from dissents in the Trump immunity case

"Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune."
www.motherjones.com www.motherjones.com

This is how Sotomayor put it:


Jackson made a similar and distressing point:
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Those dissenting opinions put on display why nearly everyone agrees that Sotomayor and Jackson are the dumb ones. To start, if Jackson and Sotomayor were right then we don't need to bother with the upcoming election because Biden is now a king and kings don't need to be elected. ... Except there is going to be an election because Sotamayor and Jackson are morons.

Next, a sitting US President cannot have Seal Team 6 assassinate a political rival because all of Seal Team 6 and anyone remotely related to facilitating or even knowing about the plot doesn't have any immunity.

It is sad SOCTUS had to step in to stop Biden's gross weaponization of the DOJ against his main political rival, but once again it appears the guardrails are holding. Thank you founders.
 
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