Red
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Yeah, that’s mostly how I interpreted it.
SteakNEggs
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Nice edit after reading my post. It's the same thing fish. Funny how you conveniently leave out Bidens own DoJ being the main proponent behind Trump's arrest. Funny how you leave our 2 other AGs, not including Brag, didn't press charges. The charges didn't come until Bidens DoJ got involved. Bidens DoJ LITERALLY arrested Trump.
Alt left Democrats will make any excuse for them to arrest political opponents but lose their minds with bat **** crazy conspiracies that haven't happened that Trump will do exactly what the Alt left Democrats do. Alt Left Democrats celebrate when the 3rd in command of Bidens DoJ leaves his position to arrest a political opponent.
District Attorney Bragg Announces Matthew Colangelo as New Senior Counsel
District Attorney Bragg Announces Matthew Colangelo as New Senior Counsel
“Public safety requires economic stability, and all New Yorkers deserve to live and work without risk of harassment, wage theft, or dangerous workplaces,” said District Attorney Bragg. “Matthew Colangelo brings a wealth of economic justice experience combined with complex white-collar investigations
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Colangelo, formerly the third-ranking official in President Biden’s Justice Department, joined Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office in December 2022 as senior counsel in the criminal case against Trump.
Trump hush money prosecutor Matthew Colangelo was political consultant for DNC, ex-Obama donor
A Manhattan prosecutor heading up the “hush money” case against former President Donald Trump was a political consultant for the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in 2018 — and once donated to Ba…
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For real, if The Rapist is elected there will be mental issues among a lot of people. It'll stress me out for sure. That undercurrent of knowing the majority or near majority of Americans are either scumbags or tragically stupid is a tough pill to swallow, not to mention the stress of Trump's insanity and how he's damaging our social fabric. Weird that here it is the Fourth of July and we have a saboteur from within threatening our democracy.
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Trump the criminal has been prosecuted. 1 person. Who is a criminal. Vs a long list of people who criticized trump. It's crazy how a person see these things as the same.
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I guess I just find it extremely ironic that the people who are in a thread literally dedicated to arresting a political opponent are expressing outrage that Trump might do exactly what they created a thread to do. The sheer hypocrisy and double standards of these "saboteurs" who keep saying Democracy while they literally tried to illegally and unconstitutionally tried to take a candidate off of the ballot.
4th of July and we have people celebrating their party arresting the leading candidate. Something that only true dictators in the history of the world have done. Completely damaging our social fabric adding stress and division amongst us because they have to win at all cost. The true "saboteurs".
4th of July and we have people celebrating their party arresting the leading candidate. Something that only true dictators in the history of the world have done. Completely damaging our social fabric adding stress and division amongst us because they have to win at all cost. The true "saboteurs".
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As I said Fish is ok with arresting political opponents when it suit his agenda. He openly admits it. The biggest hypocrite I have and ever will meet. He will make any stupid excuse to make it ok for his party, the alt-left to arrest political opponents while posting articles that nobody else can. As long as it's fishes enemy getting arrested, arresting political opponents is noble and just to him. Then he get's angry and post lies when the SC says presidents shouldn't be arrested yet he's whining that Trump will arrest Biden. It doesn't make any sense to me...
Let's not forget just yesterday he was saying if Biden commits a crime he should be prosecuted then 10 hours later he's whining that Trump might arrest Biden for committing crimes lololol. This is why I asked three times............................................................................................
To be clear, I don't want any president arresting anyone like Biden sending his DoJ did and fish hypocritically celebrates. I'm tired of this legal ******** between parties ever since Fishes true party created the Russia Hoax. Even with Hunter I'm tired of it.
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Arresting a political opponent because the political opponent is a criminal.
Should political opponents who commit crimes be free from prosecution? That's a weird stance to take.
I'm for law and order
If Cheney, Mitch McConnell, and the others have done something criminal then by all means prosecute them but so far trump hasn't listed any crimes. Just wants to prosecute them because they didn't kiss the ring. It's that simple. I don't see the justice system going after MTG and Matt gaetz etc. Just trump. Because of criminal activity. Oh noes
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Should political opponents who commit crimes be free from prosecution? That's a weird stance to take.
I'm for law and order
If Cheney, Mitch McConnell, and the others have done something criminal then by all means prosecute them but so far trump hasn't listed any crimes. Just wants to prosecute them because they didn't kiss the ring. It's that simple. I don't see the justice system going after MTG and Matt gaetz etc. Just trump. Because of criminal activity. Oh noes
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Sardines
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To be fair they ARE going after Matt Gaetz because he transported a minor over state lines who was being paid for sex.
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I googled "is Matt gaetz under indictment" and saw this:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna70839
DOJ tells Matt Gaetz that he won’t be charged in sex trafficking probe, his lawyers say
Prosecutors had spent months investigating allegations that Gaetz was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.
The Justice Department is ending its sex trafficking investigation into Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., without charging him with any crimes, his attorneys and congressional office said.
“We have just spoken with the DOJ and have been informed that they have concluded their investigation into Congressman Gaetz and allegations related to sex trafficking and obstruction of justice and they have determined not to bring any charges against him,” Gaetz attorneys Marc Mukasey and Isabelle Kirshner said in a statement.
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Just get sick of the narrative that the justice system is being weaponized against conservatives. Trump got prosecuted and convicted for something. He is under indictment for other crimes.oh
Biden got investigated. Hunter got prosecuted. I remember thriller talking about some other Democratic politician who was in trouble with the law.
That narrative is inaccurate. Trump wants the American people to lose trust in the media and the Justice system. He has worked hard to achieve this goal. He has succeeded to a large degree. He wants to be able to do what he wants when he wants to whom he wants without interference from the media or the justice system. And if those entities dare try to hold him accountable then he wants them to have no credibility with his flock so his flock will treat those entities as if they are the enemy
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They have to push this narrative to obfuscate the fact that this is exactly what Trump intends to do and the Republican cult fully supports it.
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I hear you. So much to learn from our present moment. Lessons that are sobering and very hard to live through.
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There is still this I believe. Article from couple of weeks ago.
Statement Regarding the Matter of Representative Matt Gaetz
Pursuant to Committee Rule 7, the Committee on Ethics (Committee) determined to release the following statement: On April 9, 2021, the Committee announced it had initiated a review into allegations that Representative Matt Gaetz may have engaged in sexual misconduct and/or illicit drug use...
Representative Gaetz has categorically denied all of the allegations before the Committee. Notwithstanding the difficulty in obtaining relevant information from Representative Gaetz and others, the Committee has spoken with more than a dozen witnesses, issued 25 subpoenas, and reviewed thousands of pages of documents in this matter. Based on its review to date, the Committee has determined that certain of the allegations merit continued review. During the course of its investigation, the Committee has also identified additional allegations that merit review.
Accordingly, the Committee is reviewing allegations pursuant to Committee Rules 14(a)(3) and 18(a) that Representative Gaetz may have: engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts, dispensed special privileges and favors to individuals with whom he had a personal relationship, and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. The Committee will take no further action at this time on the allegations that he may have shared inappropriate images or videos on the House floor, misused state identification records, converted campaign funds to personal use, and/or accepted a bribe or improper gratuity.
The Committee notes that the mere fact of an investigation into these allegations does not itself indicate that any violation has occurred. No other public comment will be made on this matter except in accordance with Committee rules.
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The one thing I've learned is that if we went back to pre WWII Germany and told the Nazi faithful the exact outcome of their movement they would have told us to STFU and GTFO and then went on and done their Nazi **** anyway.
There is no way to provide information to a MAGA cultist that they will accept. None. Truth comes from the faithful and no one else.
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“And there is essentially nothing we can do to change it. The courts created qualified immunity for public officials, but it can be undone by state or federal legislatures if they pass a law removing that protection. Not so with absolute presidential immunity. The court here says that absolute immunity is required by the separation of powers inherent in the Constitution, meaning that Congress cannot take it away. Congress, according to the Supreme Court, does not have the power to pass legislation saying “the president can be prosecuted for crimes.” Impeachment, and only impeachment, is the only way to punish presidents, and, somewhat obviously, impeachment does nothing to a president who is already no longer in office.
Under this new standard, a president can go on a four-to-eight-year crime spree, steal all the money and murder all the people they can get their hands on, all under guise of presumptive “official” behavior, and then retire from public life, never to be held accountable for their crimes while in office. That, according to the court, is what the Constitution requires.
There will be Republicans and legal academics and whatever the hell job Jonathan Turley has who will go into overdrive arguing that the decision isn’t as bad as all that. These bad-faith actors will be quoted or even published in The Washington Post and The New York Times. They will argue that presidents can still be prosecuted for “unofficial acts,” and so they will say that everything is fine.
But they will be wrong, because while the Supreme Court says “unofficial” acts are still prosecutable, the court has left nearly no sphere in which the president can be said to be acting “unofficially.” And more importantly, the court has left virtually no vector of evidence that can be deployed against a president to prove that their acts were “unofficial.” If trying to overthrow the government is “official,” then what isn’t? And if we can’t use the evidence of what the president says or does, because communications with their advisers, other government officials, and the public is “official,” then how can we ever show that an act was taken “unofficially”?
Take the now-classic example of a president ordering Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival. According to the logic of the Republicans on the Supreme Court, that would likely be an official act. According to their logic, there is also no way to prove it’s “unofficial,” because any conversation the president has with their military advisers (where, for instance, the president tells them why they want a particular person assassinated) is official and cannot be used against them.
There will doubtless be people still wondering if Trump can somehow be prosecuted: The answer is “no.” Special counsel Jack Smith will surely argue that presenting fake electors in connection with his cadre of campaign sycophants was not an “official act.” Lower-court judges may well agree. But when that appeal gets back to the Supreme Court next year, the same justices who just ruled that Trump is entitled to absolute immunity will surely rule that submitting fake electors was also part of Trump’s “official” responsibilities.
There is no way to change that outcome in the short term. In the long term, the only way to undo the authoritarianism the court has just ushered in is to expand the Supreme Court. Democrats would have to win the upcoming presidential election and the House and the Senate. Then Congress would have to pass a law expanding the number of justices on the Supreme Court; then the Senate would have to pass that law as well, which, at a minimum, would likely have to include getting rid of the filibuster. Then the president would have to sign such a bill, and appoint additional Supreme Court justices who do not think that presidents should be kings—and then those justices would have to be confirmed. And all of that would have to happen before the current Supreme Court hears whatever Trump appeal from his January 6 charges comes up next, because if court expansion happens after the current Supreme Court dismisses the charges against him, double jeopardy will attach and Trump can never be prosecuted again under a less-fascist court.
So, since that’s not going to happen, Trump won. He won completely. He tried to overthrow the government, and he got away with it. I cannot even imagine what he’ll try if he is actually given power again, knowing full well that he will never be held accountable for literal crimes.
If you ever wondered what you’d have done in ancient Rome, when the Roman Republic was shuttered and Augustus Caesar declared himself the “first” citizen of Rome, the answer is: whatever you’re doing right now. It’s what you would have done during the Restoration of King Charles II in England, and what you would have done when Napoleon declared himself emperor of France. This, right here, is how republics die.“
The President Can Now Assassinate You, Officially
Under this new standard, a president can go on a four-to-eight-year crime spree and then retire from public life, never to be held accountable.
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SteakNEggs
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And I'm sick of you people arresting political opponents for crimes that 2 different AG's declined and even Bragg declined until the very moment Biden sent his DoJ to the case. Explain this to me fish. Explain why even the FEC declined to prosecute and they waited until the statute of limitation was literally months away. Why did they wait until an election year to prosecute him when they had years before? Why wait until weeks before Super Tuesday to hold a trial? This crime happened over 7 years ago and your fasist party waited until election year for this to come down. You have done nothing but ran and hid from this scenario. You intentionally ignore it and we both know why. I've also asked you this multiple times and you run away. Can you name me a single other country that has the current president send his 3rd in command of the DoJ to prosecute another candidate? The likes of Hitler did that, Mao, Stalin but who else? If you can't answer, we both know you wont, then I think it's clear who the enemy is. The one arresting political opponents and literally fabricating whatever scenario you can to be openly ok with Biden sending his DoJ to prosecute a political opponent. As I said, and it went over your head unsurprisingly, you are faaaar more Trumplike than what you accuse Trump of. To me, and you are everything you accuse Trump of.
Unlike you, I don't want Trump to prosecute Biden. I'm tired of the division that you are creating with calling people cultist why it's your fascist party taking Trump off of ballots illegally. Bookmark this post and I will gladly call out Trump if he wins and does what your party the Alt-Alt-FAR Alt left is doing.
And Trump wants us to lose Trust in the media. The exact same media YOU constantly link here that just 2 weeks ago said that Republicans were using deep fakes to show case Bidens dementia? That media? Remember when you commented on a video where a guy was smoking in a body bag and you thought a rap video was evidence of Russia staging a terrorist attack? Now on Friday ABC is having an interview with Biden in primetime. Do you think that ABC is going to not edit out the blatant dementia you even admit Biden has?
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Remember when Democrats were out rioting and smashing buildings up, shutting down colleges in Jew hatred? @Red openly admitted he wanted to learn more about that. He wanted to study that. That was in his anti-Christian thread that you also take part in. Imagine if those were red hats... But no, they were Democrats. Literally marching against Jews. The disgusting Alt-Right does that and we call it out, you guys do it and you accuse others of what you do.
And Hitler also arrested his political opponents. Hitler also spoke of putting people up against the wall and murdering them like this forum is openly doing and staying silent about.
This is Democrats doing this... Moderate Demcrats. This is normal behavior for the party. Kids can't even go to school anymore because of Democrat threats. This is alt-right type stuff but now it's noramlized withing a certain
‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism
Jewish students at major universities told lawmakers on Thursday they feel unsafe on campus amid a surge in antisemitism.
At a roundtable hosted by the House Education and Workforce Committee, students from Columbia University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and other schools described hearing violent chants on campus and complained administrators are not doing enough to fight antisemitism.
“In the past five months, I have become traumatized,” said Talia Khan, a second-year graduate student at MIT.
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It's just refreshing to see someone(link below) not be a complete fascist and call it out like it should've been. Now as always run away and not address this. He's 100% right here, your fascist and blatant disregard for the law is offensive to normal people. Obviously it's not offensive to the Nazi like people who can't even provide a single instance of other parties arresting political opponents like you openly advocate for while calling others bad... Look in the mirror. I'm guessing you don't know who Andrew Cuomo is, actually I'm not guessing, I know but he is an ardent Democrat and Trump hater like you. He was a former NY AG that didn't pursue charges because you fascist created a crime. At least he has an ounce of dignity and self-respect. He understands that only terrible fascist humans arrest political opponents. It's completely disgusting to any normal person. I'm excited for your answer on naming other Fascist who arrest political opponents like you when even NY's own former AG and governor admit you people are a direct threat to Democracy and your pathological lying is gross. Thing is, I think you actually believe you're in the right with your hatred toward Democracy, sheer utter hatred, but again only dictators like Hitler and Stalin do what you are advocating for. Well unless you can provide other examples like I've asked.
Cuomo: Trump NY hush money case ‘should have never been brought’
Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) suggested Friday that the New York hush money case against former President Trump was only brought forward because of his name and White House bid.Cuomo, in an interview Friday on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher,” argued that the case should have “never” been brought forward.
“If his name was not Donald Trump and if he wasn’t running for president … I’m the former AG of in New York, [and] I’m telling you that case would’ve never been brought.”
“That’s what is offensive to people, and it should be because if there’s anything left, it’s belief in the justice system,” he added.
“And you want to talk about a threat to democracy: When you have this country believing you’re playing politics with the justice system and you’re trying to put people in jail or convict them for political reasons, then we have a real problem,” Cuomo said Friday.
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