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Don't Draft Jabari Parker Thread!!!

My2Cents said:
No, I don't. But I don't think you can assume glaring weaknesses will just go away once players get to the NBA or as they get older. Sometimes a wart is just a wart. The players who dramatically improve a weakness in the NBA are far outnumbered by players like CJ Miles who never really improve and are who they are when they come into the league. Parker is a pretty good athlete, but he's not particularly explosive, or laterally quick, and doesn't really battle in the post. So what makes you think that when gets to the NBA against bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled players that he's going to transform himself into a good defensive player. What are the indications that make you believe that? "This kind of thinking" comes from years of watching players come and go in the NBA. He may work his butt off and prove me wrong, but I think it's more likely he becomes a Boozer, Hardin type player. Just my opinion.
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that was more than 2 cents
 
Hack said:
Boozer and Harden aren't in the same class. Both bad defenders, yes, but can't be compared. Harden is on a whole other level when it comes to offense. Boozer was a sorry *** player in so more ways than just not being able to defend. Namely, his attitude sucked and just wasn't a competitor.

Comparing Jabari to Boozer is just retarded.

I think you and others aren't assessing Jabaris athletic ability accurately. I don't see a slow non athletic player. He looks pretty explosive to me. And again, we are talking about a young man who could become even more athletic as time goes on. This is what working out is for.

It boggles my mind that no one around here understands that you can improve speed, agility, and jumping ability. And you can improve shooting, and all sorts of other things.

I see a kid who is extremely advanced for his age, and has a ton of room for improvement. I don't see a finished product. It feels like that's what everyone is judging him on. Like as if he won't improve at all. But somehow other prospects can. There isn't one player in this draft who is done developing. Especially the 18 and 19 year olds. Since when was it decided that at 18 or 19 you are who you are? I think a lot of people are just looking for something to dog Jabari on. Nitpicking the crap out of him. Why? He has so much talent already at such a young age. Who in this class is more polished than him? If Jabari isn't going to be anything because of these perceived weaknesses, then by that logic no one else will either. Everyone in class has holes in their games.
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This. Well said, everything you covered I agree with. People forget that these players are literally kids. Obviously they haven't developed fully, and the fact that Jabari is so developed, so skilled and so mature for his age is scary good.
 
1. Jabari Parker
2. Andrew Wiggins
3. Aaron Gordon

I personally want one of those 3 guys. I fully expect Embiid in the top 4 picks and then one of Exum, Vonleh or Smart. If the Jazz take the best wing available I think it will be huge for them down the road.

Parker, Wiggins or Gordon all day.
 
Shocker00 said:
At 6'8" 235lbs Jabari Parker will struggle in the post defending taller players. Jabari will also have a harder time getting his shot off against taller and more athletic players in the NBA. A lot of those contested shots he took in college will either get blocked or he will shoot a lower percentage.


PF projection:

Parker Will yeild a higher shooting percentage to his opponent in the post and he will take a lot of contested shots.
Parker Will require help defense in the post by double teaming. Other teams will take advantage and break down the defense (see example of problem)
Parker Will have a number 1 scoring mentality but score like a number 2.


Example of problem:

Tim Duncan post up Jabari Parker about 4 feet from the hoop, If Jazz don't help then Duncan easily gets his shot off over Parker. If the Jazz double teams him by having Hayward drop down and front him, Duncan simply passes out to Manu Ginobli, Trey Burke reacts by rotating to Manu Ginobli leaving Tony Parker wide open for the Three. The breakdown on defense started with Jabari requiring help on the defensive end. Jabari is then responsible for the points Tony Parker just scored. Here it made our Perimeter defense look weak but actually the problem started inside and Trey Burke takes the blame from the fans for leaving Tony Parker wide open...lol


SF Projections:

Jabari has terrible lateral movement and at 6'8" 235 lbs will have trouble all day long guarding someone like Kobe at 6'6" 205 lbs.
With bad lateral movement he will have to play a few feet off of whoever he guards at the SF position leaving them wide open from the outside.
Will have trouble creating a good shot from outside with quicker more athletic players guarding him.
At the SF position he might have to do a lot of reaching and grabbing as quicker SF in the league will be able to drive right by him. this may cause him to get in foul trouble.


While defense is easier to learn than offense, defense requires good physical attributes to play good solid defense. On offense you have a bunch of gimmick moves to help you ovecome any lack of physical attributes such as pump fakes, ball fakes, crossover dribbles, fake passes, and drawing fouls. To play good defense you have to have a good work ethic, the physical attributes, and a love for the game. Parker was benched on numerous occasions throughout the season in the second half of games for playing bad defense. While the work ethic might improve the chances of him growing a couple inches or losing 25 lbs is unlikely.

Offense and season overveiw:

He exploded to start the season shooting 59% 32-54 from 2 point range and 66.6% 12-18 on three pointers. Teams started learning how to play Parker on defense as time passed and his numbers started to decrease. Over the rest of the season he shot 45.8% from two point range and 29% 26-88 from three point range.
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sounds like Melo

oh wait, parker is supposed to be Melo with brains and unselfishness
 
Fabtrey said:
sounds like Melo

oh wait, parker is supposed to be Melo with brains and unselfishness
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Melo was 6'8" 220 lbs, had a better built frame, better with the dribble, and better at creating open shots. Even though Melo took quite a few forced shots in college he took no where as many as Jabari did. Jabari at 6'8" 235 lbs will be a undersized Power Forward in the NBA. I will bet you by the time the season opens he will be more like 240-245 lbs. He will struggle at defending players like Dirk Nowitzki , Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, Anthony Davis, and Lamarcus Aldridge. Not only will Parker struggle on the defensive end of the floor but will also struggle in the post against these guys. However, he will have an edge shooting from outside against other power forwards. I generally prefer power forwards who play inside and average a higher shooting percentage and leave the outside shooting to the guards or small forward positions.There is no way at 6'8" 240lbs and terrible lateral movement he will be able to guard Kobe Bryant at 6'6" 209 lbs. He will also struggle against players like Paul George, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony, Kawhi Leonard. In my opinion if you move up to the top two positions in the draft then you should take a complete player, someone who can play a true position and someone who has some offense and some defense. To me that is either Joel Embiid or Andrew Wiggins.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
I wonder how much the Jazz love of Parker is real or just from the media because he is Mormon.
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This, I doubt DL and company really care that he's mormon. Yeah it's a cool bonus, but that has little in the decision to draft him.
 
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