Draft night 2017 might be the single biggest turning point in Utah Jazz history.

[mellow]

Either way, I'm ready for this **** to be over.

I agree a thousand times.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If Hayward really wants to go to Miami to play with Whiteside and Dragic and win 46 games in the EC, then that basically says Hayward wants out of Utah for one reason or another.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If NOLA could bring in Chris Paul and Hayward to play with Davis, that would make some sense, but guys are taking a pay cut at that point, and Cousins would need to be moved probably.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I would be hesitant due to the approaching opt-out but would certainly be interested depending on the cost. I imagine we'd have to center the deal around Hood/Exum/24/future 1st(s)/+(?).

BOS has much more than just #1 to offer IND. They have multiple future 1st's in addition to BKN 2017. I'd guess that Brown would be off-limits for Butler, but AB/Smart/Rozier/Crowder all have value. They also own the rights to 2 promising draft & stash prospects (especially Zizic). I would also expect several other hopeful contenders to be interested in acquiring him, even if only for next year.

What would you consider a realistic trade that wouldn't gut our collection of assets? Also, do you think we would have a legitimate shot at convincing PG to re-sign &/or winning a championship in his single season here? Or are you going into the trade with the assumption that he's strictly a rental & hoping to catch lightning next year?...Which possibly persuades him to stay?...Seems like a risky bet to me (depending on what it takes to get him).

I think most teams including Boston will be afraid to trade much for him since he will be a FA after next year and it sounds like he is going to LA.

I think he could be had for something like Hood, Lyle's, salary filler and maybe a current first and future first. I doubt any team would offer much more than that.

I think Jazz would have an outside chance of competing for a title next year. I also think PG likes Hill and Hayward. I think he would like playing with Gobert and like the system.

With all that I think if we made a good run and pushed GS in the playoffs or even won he might re-sign. I don't know what the odds are but it would be a huge risk. But I don't see any other chance of a title. Unless we can convince a big name FA to sign here and we keep Hayward. I would like to see the Jazz swing for the fences for once in their history.

Also going after PG13 will help us retain Hayward even if he leaves later. If it's a difference between Hayward leaving or not then it's definitely worth the risk.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

I think most teams including Boston will be afraid to trade much for him since he will be a FA after next year and it sounds like he is going to LA.

I think he could be had for something like Hood, Lyle's, salary filler and maybe a current first and future first. I doubt any team would offer much more than that.

I think Jazz would have an outside chance of competing for a title next year. I also think PG likes Hill and Hayward. I think he would like playing with Gobert and like the system.

With all that I think if we made a good run and pushed GS in the playoffs or even won he might re-sign. I don't know what the odds are but it would be a huge risk. But I don't see any other chance of a title. Unless we can convince a big name FA to sign here and we keep Hayward. I would like to see the Jazz swing for the fences for once in their history.

Also going after PG13 will help us retain Hayward even if he leaves later. If it's a difference between Hayward leaving or not then it's definitely worth the risk.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. It would be nice to see Utah make a titanic sized move for once. I might be in the minority, but I'm on board with the move even if George didn't resign in Utah. IMO, it would give Utah a legitimate shot of winning an NBA title next year. I think a Gobert/Hayward/Paul George Big 3 is as good as any trio in the NBA. If they make that move and GSW has any sort of injury drama, Utah could win the whole damn thing.

 

[416Klawzz]

there was one game then Quin was in his ear not yelling but explaining something.. and I could see a look on Hayward's face that gave me the notion for a second Hayward didn't like him... He didn't look him in the eyes, gave a vibe that he was putting up with him. Hopefully I'm wrong but you reminded of that. I personally like Quin and our front office. I never liked Corbin.

I think you are reading too much into it

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[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If I were Hayward, I'd sign a 1+1 max deal, see if I could make All NBA next year and see how things shake out a year from now. He could end up in LA with Paul George and Russel Westbrook if he wants that scene.

 

[infection]

I think you are reading too much into it

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I had no reason but to assume it was good parody of everyone's reactions and then I got halfway through and realized they were probably serious. Then I read the other comment about Hayward and DL and thought it was parody of that post but then, again, got all the way through and it appeared to be genuine.

I remember a few years ago Hayward was giving props to Larry Bird. I thought it was because he's from Indiana but now it makes more sense that it was about Boston. Another interesting connection about Boston and Larry Bird is that Chris Anderson was known as the Bird Man. Well he never played for Boston and he has tons of tattoos. Hayward only has a ring tattoo so it's possible he has his eyes on Boston, especially as rings mean commitment and Stevens committed to him first when DL didn't, so you know it's a big deal.

 

[LoPo]

Kind of shocking to me that we are freaking out over Hayward like this. Its not like the guy is Durant or LBJ. Losing him will hurt, but he's a solid all star. He's not a super star and never will be. For as many people as we have fretting over his possible departure, we would have as many complaining about him making $30+ in a couple years. I really hope he stays, but the sun will rise if he doesn't.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Kind of shocking to me that we are freaking out over Hayward like this. Its not like the guy is Durant or LBJ. Losing him will hurt, but he's a solid all star. He's not a super star and never will be. For as many people as we have fretting over his possible departure, we would have as many complaining about him making $30+ in a couple years. I really hope he stays, but the sun will rise if he doesn't.

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Losing a top 20 player who fits in with almost any kind of player for nothing is devastating especially when we can't use a similar salary to replace him. Would basically end this rebuild and the patience we've spent building this team would go for not.

 

[idiot]

I think most teams including Boston will be afraid to trade much for him since he will be a FA after next year and it sounds like he is going to LA.

I think he could be had for something like Hood, Lyle's, salary filler and maybe a current first and future first. I doubt any team would offer much more than that.

I think Jazz would have an outside chance of competing for a title next year. I also think PG likes Hill and Hayward. I think he would like playing with Gobert and like the system.

With all that I think if we made a good run and pushed GS in the playoffs or even won he might re-sign. I don't know what the odds are but it would be a huge risk. But I don't see any other chance of a title. Unless we can convince a big name FA to sign here and we keep Hayward. I would like to see the Jazz swing for the fences for once in their history.

Also going after PG13 will help us retain Hayward even if he leaves later. If it's a difference between Hayward leaving or not then it's definitely worth the risk.

Have been thinking about this for a long time now, and am still on the fence. But another "benefit" of something like this is that it would force us to make future salary/talent consolidation decisions that we'd need to make anyway. Plus, the luxury tax hurts most as a repeater effect. If Paul George were to just be here one year, that could help us stay out of the repeater category while at least attempting one big shot at things. (And if he wants to stay after one year because we do so well -- well, that's the kind of dilemma we would have gladly chosen to be in at any time over the past two decades.)

There are things that could go wrong, but I lean toward giving it a shot. (I'm not as confident that the price will be that low for PG, however; especially not at the draft, which is when we'd need to make the move. I think the Pacers likely feel that they can hold out a bit and see if something better comes along during FA period).

 

[karl malone]

I think most teams including Boston will be afraid to trade much for him since he will be a FA after next year and it sounds like he is going to LA.

I think he could be had for something like Hood, Lyle's, salary filler and maybe a current first and future first. I doubt any team would offer much more than that.

I think Jazz would have an outside chance of competing for a title next year. I also think PG likes Hill and Hayward. I think he would like playing with Gobert and like the system.

With all that I think if we made a good run and pushed GS in the playoffs or even won he might re-sign. I don't know what the odds are but it would be a huge risk. But I don't see any other chance of a title. Unless we can convince a big name FA to sign here and we keep Hayward. I would like to see the Jazz swing for the fences for once in their history.

Also going after PG13 will help us retain Hayward even if he leaves later. If it's a difference between Hayward leaving or not then it's definitely worth the risk.

I agree completely about hypothetically swinging for the fences but IMO an established superstar that isn't locked up long-term is the wrong pitch to currently be swinging at (unless there's some orginizational connection/unique circumstance that gives us a likelihood of retaining said star).

Personally, I would prefer to take multiple swings at potential superstars rather than be at the plate with a full-count, the game on the line, & in need of a grand slam. I think it's crucial that we swing for the fences, while still keeping an eye on the long-term.