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Thanks for the posts, Zombie and Whisky. Please let's not generalize and make a blanket statement over a faith that more than a billion people hold. The ME is admittedly a mess, and I pray that things resolve for the better, and return back to times where the ME regimes were tolerant, not persecuting
 
dalamon said:
Thanks for the posts, Zombie and Whisky. Please let's not generalize and make a blanket statement over a faith that more than a billion people hold. The ME is admittedly a mess, and I pray that things resolve for the better, and return back to times where the ME regimes were tolerant, not persecuting
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When was that?
 
PKM said:
like 15000 years ago, right?
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LOL. Exactly.

And probably even 15,000 years ago there was extreme violence, intolerance, and hatred.

The ME is the most intolerant, hateful, violent, fought over region in the history of this planet.

No other region has seen such a long and continuous scene of bloodshed.

"peace" has never broken out over there.
 
You guys may be being facetious but the middle east wasn't near the mess it is today as little as a hundred years ago. And throughout much of the middle ages the middle east was a place I would rather have found myself in than much of Europe.
 
Zombie said:
You guys may be being facetious but the middle east wasn't near the mess it is today as little as a hundred years ago. And throughout much of the middle ages the middle east was a place I would rather have found myself in than much of Europe.
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You're joking, right?

Europe has seen its share of bloodshed. As has Asia and the "New World." But 100 years ago the Ottoman Empire was falling apart and hundreds of thousands of people were killed. Just ask Armenia.

During the Ottoman Empire's reign, I don't think there was a century that passed that there wasn't a war going on between the Ottomans, Europeans, or Russians. Not to mention the "tiny" revolts that were constantly going on between the differing ethnic groups which resulted in thousands being slaughtered.

Before that, the ME was constantly being conquered, reconquered, and conquered again, just ask Genghis Khan, Constantine, Augustus, Julius, Alexander, the list goes on and on and on. Hell, ask Mohammad how he got so many to "convert."

Ask Titus what it was like to crush the Jews, destroy their temple, and slaughter possibly a million Jews in the street of their city. The very history of the Jews is filled with war and bloodshed with an occasional mention of their God.

Ask Cleopatra how many famous men she offered herself to in order to Pacify Egypt... Julius... Mark... Until Augustus laughed her off... When that happened, Egypt was pillaged of her wealth.

True, the Ottoman Empire had some nice things. It sorta held together a large region of differing ethnicity which have seemingly, ALWAYS been at war with one another.

True, Iran at one point (fairly recently) wasn't so radical.

But the ME has always been one violent, scary, and dangerous place.
 
Zombie said:
You guys may be being facetious but the middle east wasn't near the mess it is today as little as a hundred years ago. And throughout much of the middle ages the middle east was a place I would rather have found myself in than much of Europe.
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The middle east had Aristotle's influence (who was lost in Europe for quite some time) and a better numerical system then the Romans. They did, after all, create algebra. I think your claim has some merit to it.

However, the German in me refuses to agree with your statement :)
 
The Thriller said:
You're joking, right?

Europe has seen its share of bloodshed. As has Asia and the "New World." But 100 years ago the Ottoman Empire was falling apart and hundreds of thousands of people were killed. Just ask Armenia.

During the Ottoman Empire's reign, I don't think there was a century that passed that there wasn't a war going on between the Ottomans, Europeans, or Russians. Not to mention the "tiny" revolts that were constantly going on between the differing ethnic groups which resulted in thousands being slaughtered.

Before that, the ME was constantly being conquered, reconquered, and conquered again, just ask Genghis Khan, Constantine, Augustus, Julius, Alexander, the list goes on and on and on. Hell, ask Mohammad how he got so many to "convert."

Ask Titus what it was like to crush the Jews, destroy their temple, and slaughter possibly a million Jews in the street of their city. The very history of the Jews is filled with war and bloodshed with an occasional mention of their God.

True, the Ottoman Empire had some nice things.

True, Iran at one point (fairly recently) wasn't so radical.

But the ME has always been one violent, scary, and dangerous place.
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This has to be a troll-post. Never have I seem such collective misinforming over a single topic in my entire life.


Here's a tip for you, ****mittens. How about you pull your eyes off of this forum, and you actually research the stuff you think you know so much about, before ranting on about something that is largely incorrect, making
You look like an absolute idiot in the process.


Many-a-time I have posted about the history of the Arabian Peninsula, how ou can still find religious minorities of faith other than Islam in many Arab countries, a reputation that Spain wish she had.

Instead of re-explaining everything, I'll just simply tell you you're wrong, and you should brush yourself up on the readings yourself. I'm off to bed.


As for you Scat, I simply sincerely hope that you were being facetious as well. I'd hate to be lumped in a category with The Thriller.
 
dalamon said:
This has to be a troll-post. Never have I seem such collective misinforming over a single topic in my entire life.


Here's a tip for you, ****mittens. How about you pull your eyes off of this forum, and you actually research the stuff you think you know so much about, before ranting on about something that is largely incorrect, making
You look like an absolute idiot in the process.


Many-a-time I have posted about the history of the Arabian Peninsula, how ou can still find religious minorities of faith other than Islam in many Arab countries, a reputation that Spain wish she had.

Instead of re-explaining everything, I'll just simply tell you you're wrong, and you should brush yourself up on the readings yourself. I'm off to bed.


As for you Scat, I simply sincerely hope that you were being facetious as well. I'd hate to be lumped in a category with The Thriller.
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I have no doubt you can and will find them too. So nice job. Here's a cookie. I'm sure you could find a Muslim in the Vatican City. So yay to whatever point you were trying to make.

Since you've "studied" that region, please explain to me about the origins of Islam. How did Mohammad gain so many converts so quickly? What happened after he died? Shiites and Sunnis get along just fine, right?

The fact that escapes you is that the ME has been the most fought over, violent, intolerant, and dangerous region on this planet.

The sooner we pull out of that craphole and stop wasting American (Chinese money that we'll need to pay back) to fund their foreign aid handouts, militaries, and nation building, the better.

Not one more damn American life should be wasted in that region. Lets focus on building up America. Let Egypt, Libya, and the rest of those punkass countries either sink or swim. Eventually Mommy America has to let go and let baby countries stand on their own 2 feet.

The best thing to happen to Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, SA, Israel, etc is for us to pull out, cut the foreign aid, and let them figure things out. Then they can't always pull the wildcard "WELL THE USA INFLUENCED... WELL THE USA DID THIS... WELL WELL WELL..." that they constantly use. It would allow the free market to take over and they'll have to figure out what forms of education, industry, etc to use in order to be successful.

Stop burning US flags and start figuring out how to build your own damn countries. Allah is great and will bless you for it.
 
The Thriller said:
I have no doubt you can and will find them too. So nice job. Here's a cookie. I'm sure you could find a Muslim in the Vatican City. So yay to whatever point you were trying to make.

Since you've "studied" that region, please explain to me about the origins of Islam. How did Mohammad gain so many converts so quickly? What happened after he died? Shiites and Sunnis get along just fine, right?

The fact that escapes you is that the ME has been the most fought over, violent, intolerant, and dangerous region on this planet.

The sooner we pull out of that craphole and stop wasting American (Chinese money that we'll need to pay back) to fund their foreign aid handouts, militaries, and nation building, the better.

Not one more damn American life should be wasted in that region. Lets focus on building up America. Let Egypt, Libya, and the rest of those punkass countries either sink or swim. Eventually Mommy America has to let go and let baby countries stand on their own 2 feet.

The best thing to happen to Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, SA, Israel, etc is for us to pull out, cut the foreign aid, and let them figure things out. Then they can't always pull the wildcard "WELL THE USA INFLUENCED... WELL THE USA DID THIS... WELL WELL WELL..." that they constantly use. It would allow the free market to take over and they'll have to figure out what forms of education, industry, etc to use in order to be successful.

Stop burning US flags and start figuring out how to build your own damn countries. Allah is great and will bless you for it.
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This is some of the stupidest **** I've seen posted on this site. Congrats I guess.
 
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