Erin Andrews - Awarded $55M

[Deleted member 848]

One of the reasons I've suspected that you're just an alt and not really a Canadian is that you'll write things like the quote above. 'America' and 'American politics' seems to denote the actions of The United States of America, even in sentences that try to explain "North American Society." Let me ask you, what is Canada's history with institutional racism? with relations between the sexes?

Or, are you using 'America' to denote the entire project of European expansion into the western hemisphere?



....Anyway, Canada always seems to get off so lightly in your diatribes.

Canada is almost as bad with institutional sexism (measures like Trudeau's 50-50 cabinet help), arguably worse with respect to racism (indigenous people).

 

[Deleted member 848]

really dgaf if u think i'm an alt

 

[Deleted member 848]

Let's go through more of altHeyHey's complete ****ing drivel

I think that when you brush off the social progress that has been made by women for women it is disrespectful.

****ing comical, on two fronts:

- i have nothing but praise for the strength, perseverance, and intelligence of the women who have fought tooth and nail to advance the feminist movement to where it is today. Nothing short of impressive, and inspiring.
- it is disrespectful of you to automatically assume that when I try to assert the still-relevant importance of feminism, you automatically assume that I have no clue what advancements have been made so far. It implies that you think feminism is a finished process, which is categorically sexist and telling of how little you ****ing know on the subject-- "misogynist"

I'm saying that women do find respect outside of their sexuality.

And please bring forth a single ****ing post where I state the contrary. You are going full-on Baghdad Bob here. Either that, or you can't read.

I'm saying that you are making sweeping comments that don't seem to be fair to women.

Hahahahahah!!! I am making a judgement on the society that men have constructed for women, without the consultation or care for the equal rights of women.

I think that your notions of what a woman should be are repressive and limiting and simply not your call.

The only thing I think a woman should be, is free-- free to be whatever the **** she wants to be, without the constraints that men have imposed on her.

I think you are a misogynist masquerading as a liberal. When you place the blame for things like rape and sexual harassment on the desire by some women to look sexy you sound like the worst kind of Baptist minister.

This crossed the line, and a neg was sent. Go **** yourself. This is beyond inaccurate, and insulting.

 

[♪alt13]

Dal

You are invoking your vague concept of society in order to validate a sexist notion. Society has turned women into slutty rape magnets. We must save women from their sexuality.

When you say that the problem is a "woman's obligation to be beautiful" you are chastising women for being beautiful or exercising their sexuality. These women are too stupid to realize that they are perpetuating a rape culture. Srsly **** that. Women deserve your respect regardless of what they wear or who they want to impress. Those decisions are not up to you and they don't cause voyeurism, harassment, or rape.

 

[♪alt13]

Let's go through more of altHeyHey's complete ****ing drivel



****ing comical, on two fronts:

- i have nothing but praise for the strength, perseverance, and intelligence of the women who have fought tooth and nail to advance the feminist movement to where it is today. Nothing short of impressive, and inspiring.
- it is disrespectful of you to automatically assume that when I try to assert the still-relevant importance of feminism, you automatically assume that I have no clue what advancements have been made so far. It implies that you think feminism is a finished process, which is categorically sexist and telling of how little you ****ing know on the subject-- "misogynist"

You didn't assert the importance of feminism. You said that women were without choice. You said nothing feminist you simply called for better training of women.

And please bring forth a single ****ing post where I state the contrary. You are going full-on Baghdad Bob here. Either that, or you can't read.



Hahahahahah!!! I am making a judgement on the society that men have constructed for women, without the consultation or care for the equal rights of women.



The only thing I think a woman should be, is free-- free to be whatever the **** she wants to be, without the constraints that men have imposed on her.

But not without the sexual shaming you would impose, eh?

This was dead on, and a neg was sent because the truth hurts. Go **** yourself. This is beyond accurate which is why I am so insulted.

fixxed

 

[NAOS]

Dalamon has that scary version of "sociology" which contains no trace of Nietzsche. The different scales of human life run into each other awkwardly.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Dal

You are invoking your vague concept of society

A vague concept shared by every contemporary feminist in academia. I'm sorry it doesn't line up with some WASPy dude's from Utah. Stay in your lane.

in order to validate a sexist notion. Society has turned women into slutty rape magnets. We must save women from their sexuality.

Nope-- we must end our nurturing of the societal-construction of the sentiment that it is of paramount importance for a woman to be beautiful. This notion must be deconstructed and gotten rid of/

When you say that the problem is a "woman's obligation to be beautiful" you are chastising women for being beautiful or exercising their sexuality.

Maybe to a simpleton like you. That isn't at all what it means. I am chastising the fact that there is a bar being set based off of a social construct (set by men who don't need to meet it themselves) that unfortunately the majority of women will never meet.

This thinking isn't particularly sophisticated.

These women are too stupid to realize that they are perpetuating a rape culture.

Who is 'these'? Yes, millions of women are subjected to a delegitimizing culture that they are unaware of. Fortunately, many women are revolting it, and were the first people to bring this up in the first place.

Srsly **** that. Women deserve your respect regardless of what they wear or who they want to impress.

And women also deserve the right to not give a **** about whether some ******* white dude thinks it's important for them to fall within his narrow range of what it means to be beautiful.

Those decisions are not up to you and they don't cause voyeurism, harassment, or rape.

I will report you if you keep making these baseless accusations. Get a grip.

But not without the sexual shaming you would impose, eh?

I am shaming the system set in place by men-- women are held hostage to it, they aren't to be shamed. What a nuanced, difficult concept to understand amirte!!!!

fixxed

cute.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Dalamon has that scary version of "sociology" which contains no trace of Nietzsche. The different scales of human life run into each other awkwardly.

a contribution that's as insightful as my non-Canadian alt accusations.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think that only women want to look good.
Men do too imo

 

[Deleted member 848]

You didn't assert the importance of feminism. You said that women were without choice. You said nothing feminist you simply called for better training of women.

From earlier in this thread:

this is rather cringe-worthy. Joe.

It's post like these that assert the still-relevant importance of feminist movements. There's clearly work that needs to be done.

Keep talking out of your ***.

 

[Deleted member 848]

- t's not a blob, man. There is quite a bit of detail
- filming someone naked without their consent, and then uploading a video online is sexual assault
- unfortunately we live in a world where people constantly rip on/disrespect female sportscasters, reducing them to their bodies. A controversy like this would cripple any sportscasters career and credibility, even though it was NOT her fault for it.

Not to mention the psychological trauma of seeing videos of your body all over the internet, your family members all seeing it, your name not being able to show up on google without immediate reference to it.

That dude really ****ed her life up, plain and simple. Your "hypothetical" of "what if she didn't mind it" is simply insanely disrespectful, because spending 10 minutes looking at her in court proceedings, or reading transcripts of the things she says immediately refute this notion. You'd have to be a complete ****ing moron to think that she's making it all up. It's a hypothetical/devil's advocate stance that just minimizes the legitimacy of women living in an extremely sexist world, and she deserves every penny that she gets.

This is the worst possible hope for your daughters, if I'm being honest.


You're saying that the onus is on women to "deal with" verbal abuse. Boys will be boys, amirite guys!! Women are encouraged to 'laugh it off'??


Jesus.

and people wonder why most rapes go unreported.

It's because of **** like this. The rampant victim-blaming, dear ****ing God.

None of you spineless dudes would have the bravado to last 16 minutes of cross-examinations, let alone 6+ hours. Pathetic.

this is rather personal to me as a very good friend of mine was raped, and had to work through the court process in order to get the abuser arrested and convicted (which she succeeded in doing)-- I had to go testify myself.

She is easily the strongest woman (save for my mother) that I've ever met. And do you know what she told me after he was convicted?


"'Dalamon', I can't in good conscious recommend this path for any other woman who's been raped. If I had known it would have been this difficult and damaging, I honestly don't think i would have done it".

this is the short-term solution-- but what happens is that this becomes the only solution proposed.

Instead of a societal-shift in addressing how sexist some of this **** is, what ends up happening is that we just keep telling women to roll with the punches, and nothing changes.

Of course if someone cat-called my mother today and she came home crying, I would try to comfort her, and tell her that it's okay, and try and help her be strong.

But if this was ALL that I did, then I'd be a bad son.

The onus is on every single one of us, men and women, to be involved in the fight against sexism, and against the unfair assault of our sisters.

Complacency in this issue unfortunately makes us almost as bad as the perpetrators. This is the key.

Ah yes, what a misogynist. Wish I could be more like alt13 and deny institutional sexism.

 

[NAOS]

a contribution that's as insightful as my non-Canadian alt accusations.

dude, I've learned that you're just going to regurgitate. Rain or shine.

 

[NAOS]

I don't think that only women want to look good.
Men do too imo

#MarkNasons

 

[Deleted member 848]

I don't think that only women want to look good.
Men do too imo

Men do too, no one is saying otherwise. But for us to think that there is equal societal emphasis on men and women looking good in this world is incorrect, and foolish.

That's what this argument is about, and that's what feminists worldwide are arguing for.

 

[♪alt13]

A vague concept shared by every contemporary feminist in academia. I'm sorry it doesn't line up with some WASPy dude's from Utah. Stay in your lane.

A concept you mustn't understand because you have brutally misapplied it.

Nope-- we must end our nurturing of the societal-construction of the sentiment that it is of paramount importance for a woman to be beautiful. This notion must be deconstructed and gotten rid of/



Maybe to a simpleton like you. That isn't at all what it means. I am chastising the fact that there is a bar being set based off of a social construct (set by men who don't need to meet it themselves) that unfortunately the majority of women will never meet.

This thinking isn't particularly sophisticated.

Classic Dal, pseudo intellectual extraordinaire. You still don't recognize that you are focusing on the psyche of women in a discussion about sex crimes committed against them. How a woman sees herself is not the problem. How the perpetrator sees himself is the problem.

Who is 'these'? Yes, millions of women are subjected to a delegitimizing culture that they are unaware of. Fortunately, many women are revolting it, and were the first people to bring this up in the first place.

You just confirmed that your position is exactly the condescending and demeaning garbage that I thought it was. "These women are too stupid to realize that they are perpetuating a rape culture."

classy

And women also deserve the right to not give a **** about whether some ******* white dude thinks it's important for them to fall within his narrow range of what it means to be beautiful.

Women deserve to do what they want to do, period. They don't need you to judge the worth of their experiences for them.

I will report you if you keep making these baseless accusations. Get a grip.

Do it

I am shaming the system set in place by men-- women are held hostage to it, they aren't to be shamed. What a nuanced, difficult concept to understand amirte!!!!

*So long as they never use their sexuality to impress a man. Dal will decide what is legitimate.

 

[sirkickyass]

I, for one, am still sort of baffled that a civil jury verdict on a gross violation of privacy is apparently a gender issue.

 

[fishonjazz]

I, for one, am still sort of baffled that a civil jury verdict on a gross violation of privacy is apparently a gender issue.

I don't think the case or verdict is a gender issue and I don't think anyone has said it is.
The thread changed along the course of discussion as threads sometimes do.
The case and Erin Andrews are no longer being discussed.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

A vague concept shared by every contemporary feminist in academia. I'm sorry it doesn't line up with some WASPy dude's from Utah. Stay in your lane.





Nope-- we must end our nurturing of the societal-construction of the sentiment that it is of paramount importance for a woman to be beautiful. This notion must be deconstructed and gotten rid of/



Maybe to a simpleton like you. That isn't at all what it means. I am chastising the fact that there is a bar being set based off of a social construct (set by men who don't need to meet it themselves) that unfortunately the majority of women will never meet.

This thinking isn't particularly sophisticated.




Who is 'these'? Yes, millions of women are subjected to a delegitimizing culture that they are unaware of. Fortunately, many women are revolting it, and were the first people to bring this up in the first place.



And women also deserve the right to not give a **** about whether some ******* white dude thinks it's important for them to fall within his narrow range of what it means to be beautiful.



I will report you if you keep making these baseless accusations. Get a grip.



I am shaming the system set in place by men-- women are held hostage to it, they aren't to be shamed. What a nuanced, difficult concept to understand amirte!!!!





cute.

You seem to have gotten too smart for common sense.

 

[Deleted member 848]

*So long as they never use their sexuality to impress a man. Dal will decide what is legitimate.

Not once have I said that a woman shouldn't use her sexuality to impress a man. That's completely her decision.

I am criticizing the precedent that men set that unfairly pushes women to use sexuality to impress all peers in society, including men.


To a simpleton like you, the two above points are the same. I'll keep playing chess, you can stick to checkers.

 

[♪alt13]

Ah yes, what a misogynist. Wish I could be more like alt13 and deny institutional sexism.

I didn't deny the existence of institutional sexism. I claimed that your poor application of feminism perpetuates it. I had no issue with anything you said until you took that extra step too far. The one where you blamed female sexuality.