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Favors got extended

For comparison's sake:

Carlos Boozer $15,300,000 $16,800,000
Al Jefferson $13,500,000 $13,500,000 $13,500,000
Brook Lopez $14,694,000 $15,719,000 $16,774,000
Tyson Chandler $14,100,538 $14,596,888
Joakim Noah $12,100,000 $13,150,000 $14,200,000
Andrew Bynum $12,250,000 $12,540,000
Roy Hibbert $14,283,844 $14,898,938 $15,514,031
Larry Sanders $3,053,368 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000
Al Horford $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000
Dwight Howard $20,513,178 $21,436,271 $22,359,364 $23,282,457
Tiago Splitter $10,000,000 $9,250,000 $8,500,000 $8,250,000
JaVale McGee $10,750,000 $11,250,000 $12,000,000
Nikola Pekovic $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $11,600,000
LaMarcus Aldridge $14,100,000 $15,200,000
Serge Ibaka $12,250,000 $12,250,000 $12,250,000 $12,250,000
David Lee $13,878,000 $15,012,000 $15,493,680
DeAndre Jordan $10,986,550 $11,440,123
Carl Landry $6,750,000 $6,750,000 $6,750,000 $6,750,000
 
fishonjazz said:
Wrong
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Nah I'm usually right about numbers and I have those in the back of my mind. But I'm too lazy to search them again, since it'd be every blind homer's lifework to derail my statement. If necessary with profanities.

Zulu said:
So if in 23 minutes he averaged 9.4pts 7.1rbs 1.9blks

I'm pretty sure in 12 more minutes he'll be able get 5 more points 3 more rebounds and .5 more blocks!!!
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Playing 24 mpg you can play with a different intensity. There's a reason there's research that came up with optimal stint length of basketball players is around 6 min. Plus he will no longer play against opponents bench bigs. Now it's the starter that he met only half his minutes last season. If I was GM I'd want to see more of him before handing our $49M when I can match everything next summer. Right now the way I look at it it's $9M for performance and $3M for upside. That's a lot for upside when I factor in financial security through an early extension.

mhindy said:
Nice deal for both sides. Favors will live up to this. Gotta remember, he's 22. Larry Sanders was older as a rookie than Favors is now.
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He's got to. 22 is a good age still, but it means it'll become less likely that he makes his breakthrough with every minute. So if it's not happening this season and next season I won't expect it to happen at all. 5 seasons with a lot of minutes you can't make excuses any longer about things like BBIQ, shooting touch, free throws.
Sanders got his "physical prime" deal, that he can maybe score a 3 year extension upon if his performance is still strong with 28.

Hotttnickkk said:
Tradeable contract with RIDICULOUS upside.

Upside isn't ridiculous with 22. It's fine but nothing out of this world. If he doesn't live up to his potential his contract is straight up untradable if you want to obtain value in return. We'll find out.

For whoever said so: Taj played plenty of Center successfully when Noah was out. He wasn't as successful as Noah ofc since his body limits him in that regard, but he did good.

When I'm comparing contracts. Look at Al Horford for example. He's a similar PF/C like Favors. He's 27 in his prime getting $12M annually. He'd prolly get more if he had to score another contract right now and usually the comparison argument only works on a negotiation basis with other contracts signed the same offseason. But his avg is right there and for him to become Al Horford he's got to up his performance significantly. Serge Ibaka for example has the same contract and he's overpaid IMO. They banked on his offense development. It hasn't happened until now. Instead they could have used their small market budget to lock up Harden for less than max and gotten Ibaka for around $11M per via prolly since last year he didn't exactly motivate investors to grab in their pocket deeply. Banking on offense development is always kinda risky IMO. But that's just me. I prefer skills over the physical upside to pair skills with one day.
Also in a similar contract range is JaVale. I'm interested to compare them over the next season. Both very raw on offense, huge athletes and strong on protecting the paint. But both getting money (or in Favors case will be getting money)for either being VERY strong on defense or contributing more on offense.

Last night while watching the Bulls v Pacers I was like: Oh snap if the Bulls got themselves West over Boozer that'd be scary. But comparing West to Favors would be unfair since West did take a paycut for being contender at 33 and for being a risk to get old and bad.
DeAndre Jordan is a similar case like Favors even though Favors already shows more offense than he's ever done. But he's someone who hurts his team with his huge contract that he isn't living up to.

I hope Favors $49M/4yrs are an indicator that the Jazz might be willing to enter luxury tax territory down the road and another explanation I can envision is that Malone simply said: He'll be worth it. Give me another season with him. He's shown so much improvement over this season even though he might be not right there to utilize his new skills in NBA games efficiently yet.
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framer said:
For comparison's sake:

Carlos Boozer $15,300,000 $16,800,000
Al Jefferson $13,500,000 $13,500,000 $13,500,000
Brook Lopez $14,694,000 $15,719,000 $16,774,000
Tyson Chandler $14,100,538 $14,596,888
Joakim Noah $12,100,000 $13,150,000 $14,200,000
Andrew Bynum $12,250,000 $12,540,000
Roy Hibbert $14,283,844 $14,898,938 $15,514,031
Larry Sanders $3,053,368 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000
Al Horford $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000
Dwight Howard $20,513,178 $21,436,271 $22,359,364 $23,282,457
Tiago Splitter $10,000,000 $9,250,000 $8,500,000 $8,250,000
JaVale McGee $10,750,000 $11,250,000 $12,000,000
Nikola Pekovic $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $11,600,000
LaMarcus Aldridge $14,100,000 $15,200,000
Serge Ibaka $12,250,000 $12,250,000 $12,250,000 $12,250,000
David Lee $13,878,000 $15,012,000 $15,493,680
DeAndre Jordan $10,986,550 $11,440,123
Carl Landry $6,750,000 $6,750,000 $6,750,000 $6,750,000
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Those are GREAT VALUE.
 
Doublea said:
Do you think the chances of Hayward getting extended are higher or lower now?
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I think Higher. Unsure if Hayward will accept what we offer.

ONLY issue I think Hayward has with Utah is lack of winning any time soon. I think he is more comfortable playing as a #3/#4 on a contender.

Only way we may get him is to overpay.

'Tis a shame.
 
Re: Hayward

Most teams now has a PG who does most of the playmaking (which is one of Hayward's greatest assets). Therefore it's higher unlikely that a team will offer a contract worth more than $10m to a wing player of this type, unless he/she has the potential to score over 20pts per game on a given night. (Durant, Carmelo, George, etc)

On that basis I think the Jazz will let Hayward test the market as a restricted FA before low balling him to a $8-$9m per year deal. (unless Hayward agrees to sign an extension around amount)
 
dalamon said:
I'm afraid of what were gonna pay Hayward now. 12-13per is a realistic.
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At this point you let the market dictate what Hayward will make. The Jazz should just be ready to match any offers made to Hayward. That way everyone comes out looking good.
 
My hope prior to the season is that the Jazz could sign extensions with both for between 20 to 22 million per.
 
I think the Jazz overpaid and I am worry that they are going to overpay for Hayward. The Jazz will have more leverage if they end up drafting a Randle/Wiggins/Parker to re-sign Hayward.

I would have offered Favors $10 million with incentives. I would offer Hayward $8 million with incentives. I would front load both contracts so when it is time to re-sign Kanter there will be money to pay him and still keep other good players like Burks and Burke (if they pan out).

Maybe I am worrying about nothing but the Jazz need to be very careful not overpaying guys with "potential" and getting caught with another AK contract.
 
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