this "mix" includes all 44 baskets that Fes made last season (i counted).
Fesenko 10-11 Mix
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this "mix" includes all 44 baskets that Fes made last season (i counted).
margodydek
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Jazz have 11 players under contract. Technically only 9 I guess as the rookies aren't under contract. Watson's a free agent.
prodigy
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if you live out of country and can't view it i also uploaded it to vimeo at a request from Fesenko himself:
https://www.vimeo.com/27311323
https://www.vimeo.com/27311323
InGameStrategy
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Plus several of his 16 blocks.
Given that he played less than 500 minutes last season, this mix represents almost 1% of his entire playing time. A proportionately comparable video about Big Al would be about 15 minutes long.
InGameStrategy
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+1 on your clever remark.
But the video is merely a reminder of how appropriate it was to use Fes for a spark off the bench (for a few minutes at a time, at least) when Jefferson was dogging it or when Millsap was getting pwned heightwise.
Zerol
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cool - looking forward to that.
vslice02
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That post move on Nene, crab-dribble, drop-step, dunk was a pure power move...really rocked Nene back on his heels and nice footwork.
If only he could do that on a consistent basis (then again we said the same thing about Ostertag in the late-90's/early-2000's every time he had one of his once-a-month difference-making performances) he could've been a major force for Utah.
Also after Fes hit that running hook on Cousins - the reaction of the 1st player on the Kings bench is priceless (then again - I'll probably react the same way when Fes goes to Portland and hits the same shot over Favors)
If only he could do that on a consistent basis (then again we said the same thing about Ostertag in the late-90's/early-2000's every time he had one of his once-a-month difference-making performances) he could've been a major force for Utah.
Also after Fes hit that running hook on Cousins - the reaction of the 1st player on the Kings bench is priceless (then again - I'll probably react the same way when Fes goes to Portland and hits the same shot over Favors)
Could be a long lockout - even you could make CJ look like a star haha...great work as always.
InGameStrategy
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Key difference: Ostertag got more minutes in his second year in the NBA than Fesenko got in his entire NBA career.
It's not as if the Big O was a pinnacle of work ethic, so the off-court-effort argument is moot (and is far less relevant than on-court performance anyway). More often than not, Fes's on-performance helped the team or didn't hurt the team, and that's not always true for backups.
"The Trail Blazers are in a long stretch in which they have no more than one day between games, making it a tough time for their young players to get enough court time to develop. "
https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/12/blazers_for_luke_babbitt_d-lea.html
“I need to bring in a grunt worker and a player development guy,” Hollins said. “Player development is very important in this new NBA.”
https://m.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/jul/29/joerger-becomes-grizzlies-lead-assistant-coach-get/
Back at “Crisler Estates,” Coach Beilein steps across the way and talks briefly with the head women’s basketball coach, Kevin Borseth, to make sure they each get their needed court time on the floor . . ."
https://johnbeilein.com/site/?cat=1
[What applies to the goose applies to the gander.]
vslice02
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In no way was I making a line-by-line comparison of Fes to Ostertag. The point was that some players have the physical tools to succeed, but aren't able to use them on a consistent basis. I've always thought Fes needed more playing time, but he also was a very unreliable player - from being a foul machine when he was on the court to missing games for gastric distress and sinus issues - I do understand why Sloan and Corbin were reluctant to play him more. He did make a positive impact in several of his appearances last season but he was also a complete non-factor in just as many others. As a Jazz fan I'd like him to stay but for Fes' sake a change of scenery might be the best thing for his career.
Stifle Tower
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3:45 long. So you captured EVERY second he was on the court last season.
Thanks, it's nice to have some way to remember the Big Goofball. No doubt we'll be able to see him again in some obscure qualifying game for the Olympics - if we want to pay for ESPN 15 and watch a game at 3:00 a.m.
Thanks, it's nice to have some way to remember the Big Goofball. No doubt we'll be able to see him again in some obscure qualifying game for the Olympics - if we want to pay for ESPN 15 and watch a game at 3:00 a.m.
InGameStrategy
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Exactly. And when a player--especially a big--is averaging well less than 10 MPG, even when he shows signs of progress, then it is unlikely that they will be able to develop that consistency. For most players, superstar and backup alike, there is no substitute for going through the experience on center court.
However, when Fes was on the court, the team held serve or even advanced the lead/reduced the deficit more often than not. Is anybody claiming that he should've played 20 or 25 or 30 MPG? No; both his foul rate and the coaches' lack of attention to his development were both core barriers to that. But too often, the coaches settled for status quo (not just at the C spot, btw) instead of enforcing effort and performance.
The illness problems this year accounted for about a dozen DNPs this year, and that's a strike against him (that might start becoming a bigger issue in the future). Fes's effort (and sometimes behavior) off the court did himself no service, either. But neither of these trends account for him not receiving playing time when he was healthy and contributing.
As a Jazz fan, I don't care about "Fes' sake" as much as the team's sake.
If Kanter has anywhere near the potential of a typical #3 draft pick, then Fes is definitely expendable now. Unfortunately, he's the latest exhibit of a string of crucial backups (not just at the 5) that the Jazz were unsuccessful at developing (including the carefully selected crucial court time). Here's hoping that the Jazz staff does better with the new young bigs and wings.
Fesenko sucks. If he had gotten 25 mpg, he would still suck. He had 0 basketball IQ and poor coordination. He didn't know how to use his body or play fundamental defense without fouling.
It was a nice move, but why was he able to make that move? Probably because Nene had no idea Fesenko was even capable of thinking about doing that. He was probably just thinking about holding his position from being backed down.
orangello
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If I understand what you are saying here then your thinking is in line with mine. I look at the Fez development and worry that the same type of mentality might be taken with our young guys.
I will be the first one to admit that the situation should be different and will be different becuase we are talking about hard-working lottery picks and not some goofball with size. My worry, as has been stated all along, is that these guys need a minimum of 20 minutes a game. With Big Al, Milsap and a semi-healthy Okur they might not get that. I have been getting a lot of grief for pointing out Jeffersons shortcoming. They are a very real concern to me. I would like to see Jefferson start the season at 30 minutes a game and then have his playing time dropped to about 20 to 25 a game so that they young guys can get teh development that they need. They need that kind of time if we want them to develop into anything more than an overpaid Fez.
*face palm*
Big. Goofy. Dangerous. That move he put on Nene was pretty legit. He's big enough that opposing players often don't even try to guard him.