Miggs
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It tells me the cancer was more aggressive than the doctors thought and that like any disease, the doctors couldn't predict with 100% certainty what would happen.
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It tells me the cancer was more aggressive than the doctors thought and that like any disease, the doctors couldn't predict with 100% certainty what would happen.
Joe Bagadonuts
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What's your point?
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My point is that the Medical Community is f'd up on treating cancer, and Flip is a case in point. No, I don't know the details of his illness, but if they were so confident in August about treating it, how come he's dead two months later. Exactly, because their treatment methods don't cure cancer, and they need to wake up and explore other options.
Why are they so slow on the draw, why can't they cure cancer? Part of the reason is that $100s of billions are invested in chemo drugs and radiation treatments that don't cure cancer. You think I'm wrong, then do your own research and see what you find out.
Four years ago, I saw the video below, which by the way, has the last 20 minutes or so cut, with the segment about Tullio Simoncini, who was curing cancer with baking soda instead of chemotherapy drugs and was sent to prison because of it. Anyway, this opened my eyes and I have learned a great deal more since then. I urge you to watch it -- it's about 15-20 years old but it's as true today as when it was then. Oh, they took off the full version that was on YouTube, but I have a copy and can send it through DropBox or some other file service.
https://vimeo.com/25279346
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Didn't say that. Read what I wrote and watch the film. I just uploaded the complete version at this address:
https://youtu.be/x8dFGLebnow
Joe Bagadonuts
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I asked a different poster "what's your point?" regarding a response he sent to me, and you replied as if I was talking to you. That's sort of strange.
That said, I'll try to find time to watch the video you sent. Unfortunately, like most people in this world, I have a great deal of experience with cancer. Among other things, my mom died two years ago after her second bout.
No matter whether you actually do know of a better method for dealing with cancer or not, I feel your comments about Saunders doctors are inappropriate. There is every reason to believe that they were giving him what they believed was the best possible care.
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Not all inappropriate. It's an opportunity for people to discuss what the heck the medical community is doing about trying to find a cure. Watch the film and then tell me what you think. I just uploaded the full version on YouTube because for some reason it was taken down. In fact, the FDA and AMA have been trying to suppress the use of alternative methods and that is totally because of the money involved. If it weren't for that, then explain why they don't allow people the option of going to alternative specialists, especially when they offer no hope using conventional ones. In fact, they prosecute doctors who do it openly in the U.S. People should have the freedom to choose and not be tyrannized by people who don't have all the answers. In fact, they have less answers than the alternative treatment specialists. No, I don't know about Saunders' treatment but I don't think it's inappropriate to question it considering what occurred.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I am trying to watch that video but it is so filled with misinformation that I don't know whether I'll be able to get to the end. For one thing, it claims that 5 year cancer survival rates were 1 in 3 in the 50s and that the number hasn't moved at all since then, but the American Cancer Society now lists the 5 year survival rate at 69% (more than double what your video is claiming).
This is one of many errors I've spotted in just the first few minutes. In order to believe what this video seems to be suggesting I would have to accept that massive numbers of people are in on this conspiracy, even to the extent that they would subject themselves and their family members to a regimen of treatment that they ought to know is designed to fuel an industry and not cure a disease. Sorry. Not buying it.
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We question decisions made by professionals in other fields, what makes doctors beyond reproach? Please watch the film with open eyes.
FalseFlagg K
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Would you care to elaborate on exactly what your medical training has been to date ....
and then provided links to double blind trials examining the viability of your so called alternative treatments.
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The film is 20 years old, plus I wouldn't put much stock in what the ACS says, they're a shill of the AMA and FDA -- watch the whole film. Do you believe everything Monsanto says, everything our govt says?
Also, surviving 5 years is not a cure. The people who have offered cures and were closed down as you will see in the second half of the film permanently cured people.
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Yikes. I'm pretty sure I'm going to regret responding to this...but.....here goes:
Medicine is the furthest thing away from black and white. Medicine is completely this: 60% of the time...it works every time.
We know so little about everything. We have educated guesses. We are dealing with interactions on a cellular level that most doctors can't even see.
That being said, we do have some things, such as peer reviews, clinical trials, research, reproducible testing, etc. Is this a for sure thing? Absolutely not.
The question is, is a treatment method that has gone through those steps much better and safer for the general public, many of whom do not have a very good understanding of treatment options? YES.
So, you mention prosecuting some of these treatment people for their alternative treatments...Well, there is a reason why that happens. We don't know what their treatment does. We don't know how it works.
What you are saying is that you want a largely uneducated population to be opened up to "alternative" treatment, where these largely uneducated people will make their decisions on whoever has the best marketing skills...Yikes. Good luck with that.
Look, it isn't perfect. But to unregulate it like you are suggesting....wow. That would do so much harm. There would be no point to having a medical doctor degree...just go see whatever witch doctor tells you what you want to hear.