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Cyrone Torbin said:
Agreed with what they are saying on Miller. The guy looked flat out sorry in the workouts. If I didn't know he was super long, I wouldn't really care who he was. I think I'm 100% off the Miller bandwagon now.

I wouldn't be surprised if Robbie Hummel has a better career than Miller.
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He does seem to be dropping. 2nd rounder?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I don't think he will drop out of the 1st round, but I wouldn't be completely surprised. The kid has no chance to contribute his 1st year in the league, I feel confident in saying that.
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I have always felt it would take until his 3rd year. Once that happens he will be considered a steal.
 
Count me out as a Miller fan. i have a hard time trusting anybody who would go play at Baylor and I really question his work ethic. He has a lot of untapped potential, but I don't think he'll ever get it all out.
 
orangello said:
I have always felt it would take until his 3rd year. Once that happens he will be considered a steal.
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The list of players who have had similar issues and been drafted as "projects" rarely pan out, but I can definitely see the upside though. He either needs to get stronger or quicker, fine tune his shot (it looked ugly in the combine), and just work on working hard. If he can do all that he can be a steal, I just wouldn't want to draft him.
 
Weezur said:
Is it just me or do the standing reaches not look right?
For example:

Andre Drummond:
Hieght w/shoes
6' 11.75"
Wingspan
7' 6.25"
Reach
9' 1.5"

Carlos Boozer...
Hieght w/ shoes
6' 9.5"
Wingspan
7' 2.25"
Reach
9' 0.5"- 1 '' smaller than Drummond!!?!?!?


Hell, let's make PKM mad.
Anthony Davis:
Hieght w/ shoes
6'10.5''
Wingspan
7' 5.5"
Reach
9' 0" Smaller than Boozer?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Standing reach is weird since having long arms doesn't necessarily mean you will have a long standing reach. Long arms can of course help, but a player's entire physiology has as much to do with it as long arms. Standing reach is extremely important for bigs; their head height is meaningless. 9'1" is the starting point for decent center length and about 9'3" is getting elite (Cousins has incredible length for example). It's more complicated than standing reach of course. I'm surprised in Davis' standing reach and also noticed there's not a lot of great length (standing reach) in this draft. Judging from his reach and weight, Davis will probably never be a center in the NBA, but could be a Garnett style PF.
 
JJAS said:
Standing reach is weird since having long arms doesn't necessarily mean you will have a long standing reach. Long arms can of course help, but a player's entire physiology has as much to do with it as long arms. Standing reach is extremely important for bigs; their head height is meaningless. 9'1" is the starting point for decent center length and about 9'3" is getting elite (Cousins has incredible length for example). It's more complicated than standing reach of course. I'm surprised in Davis' standing reach and also noticed there's not a lot of great length (standing reach) in this draft. Judging from his reach and weight, Davis will probably never be a center in the NBA, but could be a Garnett style PF.
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I'm just wierded out by how awful this draft class' standing reach is. I was wondering if there'd been a change, but that makes sense. A player could have a long neck accounting for the hieght and that would reduce his reach as well. But seriously, Anthony Davis can only reach as high as Boozer? That seemed off, way off.
 
Weezur said:
I'm just wierded out by how awful this draft class' standing reach is. I was wondering if there'd been a change, but that makes sense. A player could have a long neck accounting for the hieght and that would reduce his reach as well. But seriously, Anthony Davis can only reach as high as Boozer? That seemed off, way off.
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Agree. Can you find any images of Carlos that look like this?

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PKM said:
Agree. Can you find any images of Carlos that look like this?
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Well it's hard to tell where his head is, but his feet are way up there. This is what separates Boozer from Davis athletically; Davis has incredible explosion and a tremendous wing span. I have to have the confidence that the guys measuring them know how to measure a human being (it's not that difficult). Boozer also outweighs Davis by 45 pounds. We'll see if that matters at the next level.
 
JJAS said:
Well it's hard to tell where his head is, but his feet are way up there. This is what separates Boozer from Davis athletically; Davis has incredible explosion and a tremendous wing span. I have to have the confidence that the guys measuring them know how to measure a human being (it's not that difficult). Boozer also outweighs Davis by 45 pounds. We'll see if that matters at the next level.
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I'm sure it will in his rookie season. I believe the NBA bigs will just shove him out of the way .. but he'll figure it out after one season, tops.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I wouldn't say head height is meaningless. I think it's a psychological advantage over players.
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Maybe for mentally weak players. You could use any number of criteria for size intimidation, but what really intimidates is what you do on the floor. Serge Ibaka and Blake Griffin intimidate players by what they do. Derrick Favors intimidates Marcin Gortat because he stuffs every shot he attempts. If Charles Barkley had been intimidated by an opponent's height advantage, he would have never had a psychological advantage because he was a 6'6" PF. However, he dominated.
 
PKM said:
Agree. Can you find any images of Carlos that look like this?

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Nope, that's why I'm phased out by it. You can clearly see how freakish his arms are.

TIL:
freakish arms != huge standing reach
that standing reach does not equate to blocks
and that standing reach does not necessarily make you look taller cause Boozer looks like an undersized forward to me.
 
Weezur said:
I'm just wierded out by how awful this draft class' standing reach is. I was wondering if there'd been a change, but that makes sense. A player could have a long neck accounting for the hieght and that would reduce his reach as well. But seriously, Anthony Davis can only reach as high as Boozer? That seemed off, way off.
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Actually, his reach isn't bad at all for a PF. Some players just have the right physiology--some don't. For example, Joakim Noah has an 8' 10.5" standing reach and he is 7' with shoes. Also, Aaron Gray has a 9' 0.5" standing reach and he is 7'2" in shoes.
 
Weezur said:
Nope, that's why I'm phased out by it. You can clearly see how freakish his arms are.

TIL:
freakish arms != huge standing reach
that standing reach does not equate to blocks
and that standing reach does not necessarily make you look taller cause Boozer looks like an undersized forward to me.
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he looks like the Kansas player, if that was what you were looking for!
:D
 
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